I'm imagining a 410 with all 4 in a vertical straight line, in a tall thin box. Has anybody done that? Would it be inefficient or difficult to tune compared to the normal 4-square config?
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cab idea: 4x10 "in line, vertical stack" -been done?
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Nope, just considered clumsy to put a head or rack on top of... Anyway, bass players seem to prefer squat cabs that play to the kneecaps ; }
Some way-old club PA columns were vertical 410 and 412 configs, and good luck finding tweeters, or decent ones anyway, in them.
I have actually been working with that idea myself. it would help get the speakers more towards ear level (which would help you hear it better) and would have at least some of the benefits of a line array.
The easiest way to test it would be to get 2 210 cabs and stack them on end.
The easiest way to test it would be to get 2 210 cabs and stack them on end.
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i have done it with my 4 aggy gs112 cabs.. it looks a little funny.. but it sounded very good..
when i go 4 square it is very bottomy... which i like.. but the 4 tall were more even sounding to me
when i go 4 square it is very bottomy... which i like.. but the 4 tall were more even sounding to me
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Where that or the two 2x10 scenarios falls down is that the tweeters/horns are not coupling or operating as a poor-man's line array, if that's part of the desired design goal. Far better to have one high-quality horn and compression driver anyway.
Actually if one wasn't adverse to a large bulky cab the vertical 410 could end up being rack-width and then you'd also be able to get better bass response out of the 10" drivers typically used in Tens cabs.
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If you are going to break the mold why not use a better horn and compression driver too? Maybe cross over lower too, since that would now be available.
I considered doing it a while back, making a dual Omni10 in the same cab, but thought better of it 
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The closest thing I've seen to that is the old, discontinued EA 310 (can't remember if it was called VL or CXL since it was a transition between the three way and two way designs).
Very awkward..... stacking two 210's vertically will get to TOTALLY to the same place IMO.
Like this?
http://www.frappr.com/fitzmaurice/photos/2519641
Well, this is actually 2 x 210, but they are vertically aligned.
http://www.frappr.com/fitzmaurice/photos/2519641
Well, this is actually 2 x 210, but they are vertically aligned.
Well, TBH it was just a thought that flitted across my brain, and knowing that it would be a very difficult set of search terms, I just posted a new thread.
That said, I have played on so many tiny stages, where we had not just speakers but sometimes one or more band members playing off the side of the stage platform (seriously!) that having a cab that occupies a minimal footprint would be very practical and valuable to me.Now that I'm thinking about it more, I think a 3-way design with 3 vertical 10's, and a 5 and a tweeter (or some similar/better mids/highs arrangement) vertically above the 3 10's would suit me just fine.
I have an LDS cab and love it, but I've been exchanging many emails with Don over the last couple of weeks, and I'm actually losing faith.
Ampeg used to have a 410 vertical cab. I think it was more for PA use though. A band I was in 25 years ago had a pair.
My stereo at the time wasn't loud enough to play drums to. It was a Loyd w/ 8 track purchased from the high end electronics dept of Eckard Drugs. So I placed my stereo speakers facing each other and miced them with a single SM58. I ran the signal through the mixer into the Ampeg vertical 410's and I have to tell you that when driven hard the Ampegs gave off a nice smoked mesquite aroma
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My stereo at the time wasn't loud enough to play drums to. It was a Loyd w/ 8 track purchased from the high end electronics dept of Eckard Drugs. So I placed my stereo speakers facing each other and miced them with a single SM58. I ran the signal through the mixer into the Ampeg vertical 410's and I have to tell you that when driven hard the Ampegs gave off a nice smoked mesquite aroma
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.....and be easier to move AND more versatile too.
Sure but that's like saying you can achieve the same results with a regular 410 or two 210's stacked in a square config. Sure, but that doesn't seem to slow the purchase and use of 410 cabs!
It actually seems to me that a well-designed vertical 410 would be easier to hand-truck (maybe even with two attached heavy-duty casters on the back edge, and a rigid handle at the top back), and easy to throw in the back seat of most cars.
Hmm, 4 X 10 = 40 in. Add in space between the speakers, some space at the top & bottom, & the thickness of the cabinet material & you're at about 4' high. Plus with however wide & deep you make it you may have exceeded the back seat capacity of a lot of little cars out there.
I never thought of that kinda speaker cabinet. i really like the idea of making it 19" wide and deep enuff to hold a rack on top.....hummmmm makes me wonder what 2 of em side by side would sound like.
Plus the added benefit of having some speakers close to ear level!!!!
Plus the added benefit of having some speakers close to ear level!!!!
