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Cabinet advice please...please...please.

#81
There is so much crap flying around in this thread noone has time to correct it all.

Just as far as ad specs. The Ampegs are likely to be the most honest. The less impressive they look, the more likely they are to be right. Something that says it reaches 30some hz and hits 105db @ 1 watt using fullrange drivers is BS plain and simple.

The OP got his 810...he likes it...there's your answer.

As far as Bergs, Aguilars, etc. using expensive "premium" drivers....dig a little deeper....they ain't all that. A lot of these folks won't publish real specs, or charts, or driver parameters because if they did, folks would start to realize how much they're paying for how little.
 
#82
will33 said:
There is so much crap flying around in this thread noone has time to correct it all.

Just as far as ad specs. The Ampegs are likely to be the most honest. The less impressive they look, the more likely they are to be right. Something that says it reaches 30some hz and hits 105db @ 1 watt using fullrange drivers is BS plain and simple.

The OP got his 810...he likes it...there's your answer.

As far as Bergs, Aguilars, etc. using expensive "premium" drivers....dig a little deeper....they ain't all that. A lot of these folks won't publish real specs, or charts, or driver parameters because if they did, folks would start to realize how much they're paying for how little.
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+1. Yeah, this.
 
#84
Another little note about some of the "boutique" companies that still do stuff like cube 410's. When these folks are tweaking their OEM drivers, small little changes in things like cone mass, shape, dustcap material/thickness bring about little changes in the midrange where our ears are by far the most sensitive. A small change there can "sound like" a big difference, like percieved huge lowend, or percieved loudness. It's not that it's actually happening, it's more about how the ear/brain fools itself than it is about truely high performance. Some other specialty builders can do that, and, use actual high percormance drivers while doing it. There, it sounds good, and you actually are getting more real performance for your money.
 
#85
Over the years the most important things to me regarding bass cabs is versatility and quality of sound! Had an 8x10 years ago, then a 6x10. Both sound great but try putting an 8x10 on a small 10x10 bar stage? It would look like you brought your bed with you to sleep on after the show. I couldn’t imagine owning either of those cabs these days, especially with all the new technology that goes into cabs and speakers.

Here is a pic behind my SWR 350 redface and (2) 2x10 BRX 10.2 neo cabs. Huge open outdoor gig and I ran maybe half to just over half volume, with tons of low end and volume to spare! Did a small bar gig the next night with just (1) BRX cab, unloaded each cab the next day from my car with one arm!

Nothing beats an Ampeg 8x10 for big arena rock shows, but who here is doing those gigs most of the time??
 

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#86
Getting the 810? Bigger, louder, yada yada. The same thing drives guitar players to wank through 200 watt amps with a full stacks. Drummers to play with lead sticks on big heavy cymbals and 26" kick drums. Boys will be boys. ;)

Personally I can't see why people want to haul a fridge out all the time but to each his own. I've played in small dives and even they usually have a big sub or two pumping my sound to the honeys.
 
#87
claytitan said:
Getting the 810? Bigger, louder, yada yada. The same thing drives guitar players to wank through 200 watt amps with a full stacks. Drummers to play with lead sticks on big heavy cymbals and 26" kick drums. Boys will be boys. ;)

Personally I can't see why people want to haul a fridge out all the time but to each his own. I've played in small dives and even they usually have a big sub or two pumping my sound to the honeys.
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Any place that owns subs, or any sound reinforcement equipment whatsoever does NOT qualify as a "dive".;)
 
#91
lokikallas said:
Get an svt410he. You won't need the extra volume the 810 is capable of, and you get the same sound. I had an 810. Too big to haul without a damn good reason. You can always get another 410 to stack later if you find you need more oomph.
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just did this exactly! I personally don't need the second 410, but if I ever do, it's just a quick add on
 
#92
My point about the Megoliath is that it's 100db goes all the way down to the bottom fundamental of a 4 string bass, and all the way up to way higher than you would probably even want (several KHz at least, above which it's probably HIGHER, not lower), whereas we know the Ampeg, being sealed, and using more "guitar like" drivers is probably 100db at 1k, nowhere near that by 100 Hz, and not in the same time zone by 40 Hz. So in other words, anything below maybe a low A through the SWR is going to be like putting 2-4 times as much power to it compared to the Ampeg. That's comparing apples to apples. So it's not so much of a stretch that an SWR 4x10 could outperform an SVT in terms of volume over a wide spectrum. Not really sure why you're still arguing against that. The precise numbers aren't really that important, I think it's pretty clear what they indicate.

Out of curiosity I was browsing through the US Speaker site earlier, looking at the specs for various 10s. Most of them seemed to be in the 94-97 range or so, and for the most part they were pretty ruler flat from 1 or 2K down to whatever their break point was when the low end starts to roll off (between 50-100Hz or so). What that tells me is that sensitivity numbers and the frequency response numbers are going to jive pretty closely (which is what you would expect).

I can't really explain why the Goliath is rated at 5db higher than the Megoliath (which you would expect to be 3db louder). That is a head scratcher. My initial guess would be maybe having to do with the cab tuning being different or something like that. Possibly there is also some difference in the drivers themselves.

I don't think Ampeg's specs are any more likely to be honest than SWR. SWR built their whole company on superior engineering over what else was out there for a long time. Ampeg is more "right place, right time". Their stuff often sounds great (ie the classics), but none of it really seems like engineering marvels or anything. I mean, the Ampeg guys can't even come up with different names for their completely different amps. Everything is SVT N (with or without a meaningless "Pro" after it), without seeming to have much rhyme or reason to it.
 
#93
will33 said:
Any place that owns subs, or any sound reinforcement equipment whatsoever does NOT qualify as a "dive".;)
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I see what you mean. I guess my point was we have 7 pages of going back and forth on what is louder. Either option is plenty loud. Probably so loud you could not stand to be in the same room with it when cranked. Sometimes I think we musicians get carried away with trying to blow people's hair out instead of playing music for them.

If it is just about the tone and you don't mind lugging 150 lbs out for a gig then enjoy yourself. I'd love to have one that I brought out for special occasions. It isn't something I would do every weekend for small shows. IMO it is overkill.
 
#95
jungleheat said:
.Except as I've already established, the SWR cab would be lighter, louder, and lower than the SVT,
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But- the OP has already stated that HE likes the Ampeg better. Personally I like the sound of my fEARful 1212/6/1 better than my SVT810e, but he didn't ask about fEARfuls either. It sounds like he has already made his decision.
 
#96
Wow.
Just made it to the end of this thread. For all of the the talk of how loud a cabinet will get, why was the focus on specs for sensitivity, not max SPL? (BTW, it's 130db for the SVT810e)

It is also telling that long after the OP weighed in with his satisfaction in the choice he made, the thread just keeps on going.
He got what he likes, he's happy, what more could we ask for?
 
#97
popgadget said:
Wow.
Just made it to the end of this thread. For all of the the talk of how loud a cabinet will get, why was the focus on specs for sensitivity, not max SPL? (BTW, it's 130db for the SVT810e)

It is also telling that long after the OP weighed in with his satisfaction in the choice he made, the thread just keeps on going.
He got what he likes, he's happy, what more could we ask for?
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+1
 
#100
popgadget said:
Wow.
Just made it to the end of this thread. For all of the the talk of how loud a cabinet will get, why was the focus on specs for sensitivity, not max SPL? (BTW, it's 130db for the SVT810e)

It is also telling that long after the OP weighed in with his satisfaction in the choice he made, the thread just keeps on going.
He got what he likes, he's happy, what more could we ask for?
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These threads aren't just for the OP -- they're also for all the other folks who have similar questions or interest in that gear. Often an OP is simply asking for confirmation that his decision (often already made before the question is posted) is a good one. He's not going to change anything no matter how much negative feedback he gets. But that feedback, good or bad, can help others who might be still considering things.

Max SPL is sometimes accurate, sometimes just a marketing fairytale number. Often the specs on the speakers suggest that their power limits will prevent anyone ever getting to that Max SPL without damage. It's sort of the same thing with the frequency response numbers. What's claimed in the ad copy and marketing literature has been known to be a bit overblown in real life.
 

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