I'm not up on bass construction either.
But just because I don't know what difference those things make, I'm definitely not gonna claim they make no difference!
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Carol Kaye Controversey Solved?
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I'm not up on bass construction either.
But just because I don't know what difference those things make, I'm definitely not gonna claim they make no difference!
Phil,
You could put alembic electronics in a Fender and it would sound like an alembic. Alembic is one case where most of the sound of the brand of instuments was/is created in the electonics package and that Alembic "sound" was all it's creators cared about.
BL
You could put alembic electronics in a Fender and it would sound like an alembic. Alembic is one case where most of the sound of the brand of instuments was/is created in the electonics package and that Alembic "sound" was all it's creators cared about.
BL
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Of course you won't, but you will claim nothing she's played sounds like Jamerson while at the same time admitting you've haven't heard much of her playing, well at least not consciously.
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Originally posted by Phil Smith
Of course you won't, but you will claim nothing she's played sounds like Jamerson while at the same time admitting you've haven't heard much of her playing, well at least not consciously.
Well, I've got Pet Sounds, and it sounds nothing like that Motown stuff...
Man, quite a thread.......
Anyway, it was maybe ten years ago, Bass Player mag did an article on CK where she claimed to be the bassist on Bernadette. The next month's issue included a damning, angry letter-to-the-editor from JJ's widow who said something like (I'm paraphrasing): "That was James Jamerson, not Carol Kaye who you hear on Bernadette..."
She went on to say that CK has enough of her own credits and that stealing others from a dead man wasn't necessary.
Tom
Anyway, it was maybe ten years ago, Bass Player mag did an article on CK where she claimed to be the bassist on Bernadette. The next month's issue included a damning, angry letter-to-the-editor from JJ's widow who said something like (I'm paraphrasing): "That was James Jamerson, not Carol Kaye who you hear on Bernadette..."
She went on to say that CK has enough of her own credits and that stealing others from a dead man wasn't necessary.
Tom
Hi All,
Some time ago the book intitled
"Calling out around the world: A Motown Reader" Helter Skelter Publishing ISBN 1-900924-14-5
was mentioned here. I did a written piece on the subject for someone who wrote me asking about it. Here is the link.
here
above is what IMO the Kaye interview is all about and some references to other books in my library that have a different view. References include page numbers of the books mentioned.
BL
Some time ago the book intitled
"Calling out around the world: A Motown Reader" Helter Skelter Publishing ISBN 1-900924-14-5
was mentioned here. I did a written piece on the subject for someone who wrote me asking about it. Here is the link.
here
above is what IMO the Kaye interview is all about and some references to other books in my library that have a different view. References include page numbers of the books mentioned.
BL
This is interesting, I just had a Treena (GBP1) sighting over at a Motown site called Soulful Detroit. She made a post stating that "Ain't No Mountain High Enough" by Diana Ross was recorded at Armin Steiners studios in LA (with "guess who" on bass)... Now Soulful Detroit has a number of people who worked at Motown there including engineers Bob Ohlson (sp?) and Russ Terrana (sp?) I asked one of them where the track was recorded (I already knew the answer) but it asked because of Treena putting that little CK commercial over there at SD.
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Also there are posts from Dennis Coffey, bassist Allen McGrier and other Motowners over there. I wanna propose an idea. Rather than posting over there I would like you to go there and see what is up and post yoru thoughts here. It is still on topic as part of the CK controversy (as long as we are discussing any of the Motown tracks she claims).
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Also there are posts from Dennis Coffey, bassist Allen McGrier and other Motowners over there. I wanna propose an idea. Rather than posting over there I would like you to go there and see what is up and post yoru thoughts here. It is still on topic as part of the CK controversy (as long as we are discussing any of the Motown tracks she claims).
Well, I have Carol Kaye's learning materials, and have corresponded with her several times. IMHO, her materials are very good, and she has always been very nice to me in conversations with her.
Now, that being said, I went to that Soulful Detroit site, following the link provided. When you have guys who were actually in Detroit when these songs were recorded, and can attest to hearing the playbacks right after they were recorded-well there's no disputing that.
What I find a little interesting-forgive me if this goes a little off-is that there are no claims by her to the Jackson 5 recordings. The reason I say this, is because they were signed in LA in 1969 I believe. Now, James Jamerson is listed as playing on many of their hits, but he didn't arrive in LA until 1973, when the company moved there. So, does anybody know who played on the early Jackson 5 hits, if it wasn't Jamerson?
Again, sorry if I went a little off topic. It's just that sometimes this stuff gets a little confusing, ya know?
Now, that being said, I went to that Soulful Detroit site, following the link provided. When you have guys who were actually in Detroit when these songs were recorded, and can attest to hearing the playbacks right after they were recorded-well there's no disputing that.
What I find a little interesting-forgive me if this goes a little off-is that there are no claims by her to the Jackson 5 recordings. The reason I say this, is because they were signed in LA in 1969 I believe. Now, James Jamerson is listed as playing on many of their hits, but he didn't arrive in LA until 1973, when the company moved there. So, does anybody know who played on the early Jackson 5 hits, if it wasn't Jamerson?
Again, sorry if I went a little off topic. It's just that sometimes this stuff gets a little confusing, ya know?
As the story goes, The J-5 never recorded in Detroit. They went straight to California. However tracks were still being recorded in Detroit in 1972. Most of the J-5 stuff that was done in LA has Wilton Felder or Ron Brown on Bass and some (Freddy Wahington I believe). Chuck Rainey was the bassist on Dancing Machine (H.B. Barnum arrangement). In reality I will concure that there might be some question as to who played what from 1972 on but not 1967? And IMO, where there are legitimate questions they hardly relate to CK as she will say her self that in the 1970's she stopped working for Motown.
I have a gig tonight and the headliner is Tito Jackson so if I get the chance to talk to him (I doubt it...) I will mention some of this to him. This is the fun of living and working in L.A.
Gotta go now TTYL,
BL
I have a gig tonight and the headliner is Tito Jackson so if I get the chance to talk to him (I doubt it...) I will mention some of this to him. This is the fun of living and working in L.A.
Gotta go now TTYL,
BL
Hey, thanks for clearing that one up BL. Yes, as for the 60's stuff-well, again there are several people over at Soulful detroit who were actually there when these hits were in the making. I don't think it gets anymore conclusive than that.
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