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Carvin SB5000 / SB4000 Roll Call...Part 2!

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Yeah, WAY too many variables there to make a statement... no offense.
None taken. The bass wasn't for me. We all draw conclusions based on whatever information we have available, even if we don't really have enough information. As I play other Sadowskys or chambered basses in the future, I will re-evaluate and perhaps reach different conclusions, that will perhaps be equally incorrect. ;)
 
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It's here! Very sweet. It's even lighter than the review bass I had, no figures yet - I'll weigh it on Wednesday at Bass Emporium. I love the sound of the alder body, more mids than swamp ash. And, I like the simple understated sunburst, this is a finish I'll never grow tired of. Plays like a dream!
 
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It's here! Very sweet. It's even lighter than the review bass I had, no figures yet - I'll weigh it on Wednesday at Bass Emporium. I love the sound of the alder body, more mids than swamp ash. And, I like the simple understated sunburst, this is a finish I'll never grow tired of. Plays like a dream!

Damn Ed, that's sweet! We gotta take a picture of our SBs together. Mine is there at Bass Emporium for Chuck to have a look at the bridge pickup. See you there on Friday.
 
My SB5000

BM Blue Mist Metallic

PH Headstock to match body color

WL White logo

DMP White mother-of-pearl diamond inlays

WP White pearloid pickguard

H5A H50A alnico stacked humbuckers

BLK Black pickups

MVB Master vol & blend replaces separate volume controls
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CG clear gloss finish (Standard)

CH chrome hardware (Standard)

EB ebony fingerboard (Standard)

FR med-jumbo frets .048" H .103" W (Standard)


MA maple neck/alder body (Standard)

R14 14in fretboard radius (Standard)

SBH SB-style bass headstock (Standard)

TN tung oil finish back of neck (Standard)

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Depending on the lighting, this finish can apppears as two different shades of blue, as these pics indicate.

Pic one.

Pic two.

That is a very nice bass nideca, Jazz bass reincarnations are coming in all shapes and sides, as is this one here!
 

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It's here! Very sweet. It's even lighter than the review bass I had, no figures yet - I'll weigh it on Wednesday at Bass Emporium. I love the sound of the alder body, more mids than swamp ash. And, I like the simple understated sunburst, this is a finish I'll never grow tired of. Plays like a dream!
Woah, NICE. Love the burst/tort of course, and beautiful board/headstock. Well done! :)
 
Great looking bass Ed! Care to comment on the difference in tone? Especially slap tone?

As I said, the Alder has more mid presence, it's not as scooped sounding as swamp ash. It cuts through the band and makes itself heard better in the mix. Of course, the preamp can make it scooped if you boost lows and highs, so the slap tone is not radically different than the review bass. It's a subtle difference, but an important one for my taste. It also sounds killer in passive mode.
 
So my SB5000 just arrived. I purchased it here on TB from PBFactor (super nice guy BTW) and I'm REALLY happy with it. Band practice is this Sunday so that will be a good test. So far I'm really impressed with how many different sounds you can get out of it and how well balanced it is when I'm sitting. I'm a big fan of ergonomics (more so with each aging year) so I really appreciate how well balanced it is on my leg while sitting. While standing it wants to go a bit more horizontal than I prefer but I really like the bass at a pretty steep angle so that is nothing new for me. If it bothers me I'll see how much lighter ultralight tuners are. The neck is VERY comfortable and easy to play. Very smooth. This is my third Carvin (one previous LB75F and one XB75) and this is my favorite so far. :eyebrow::eek::D
It has the same finish as Ed's but with black hardware (the PG is now tort). Here she is (again):
 

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Has anyone gotten the Gloss finish on the back of the neck - in lieu of the Tung Oil???

I'm finding that I really like the glossiness of the Fender Marcus Miller jazz bass, the Geddy Lee bass, and the Classic Music Man series.

Also, can they gloss finish the maple fingerboard as well, or is it just the neck?
 
I learned something today I did not like about my SB5000.
It had a problem with the bridge pickup, I called Carvin, they sent a new one, and I took it to Bass Emporium to have it installed.
While they were at it, I asked Chuck to install a set of Dunlop Straplocks (the pins) on it. When he gave me the bass, he said: "Good call. The original pins were plastic."
I could not believe it, but when I saw the pins I knew it was true. I don't know if it makes any difference, but for reference, I did not order the bass through the website, I got it from the Carvin store in Hollywood.
It's a small detail, I know, my bass is still awesome. But why save money in strap pins?
 
I learned something today I did not like about my SB5000.
...I asked Chuck to install a set of Dunlop Straplocks (the pins) on it. When he gave me the bass, he said: "Good call. The original pins were plastic."
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It's a small detail, I know, my bass is still awesome. But why save money in strap pins?
This is very interesting. Thing is, for the job at hand, plastic is probably pretty much as good as metal, since the (still metal) screw will be taking most of the force anyway, but really, in the grand scheme of things, this is probably a very very small material cost change, so I wonder if that was really the reason. I suppose if they use the same buttons for every guitar they make (meaning regular electric and acoustic guitars as well as basses) it would add up, tho.

Still, I use the Dunlops on pretty much everything I own, so I still say good call. :)
 
I also saw somewhere in the past couple of weeks that Schecter is using bridges on their new models that are identical to the ones on the SB's.

Maybe all these parts are coming almost-cost-free out of Asia...
 
I also saw somewhere in the past couple of weeks that Schecter is using bridges on their new models that are identical to the ones on the SB's.

Maybe all these parts are coming almost-cost-free out of Asia...

The SB5000 bridge looks identical to the bridge on my Brubaker Brute 5 string. Makes me wonder if they come from the same place. It seems to be a very good bridge though :).
 
So I learned a few things last night. I got the new pickup in from Carvin and opened it up. The pickups didn't come with any instructions on how to swap them out. I went online and watched some YouTube videos on the best way to do it. Specially a series of videos from Lollar Pickups on how to do it on a stratocaster was helpful.

Side note, I used this $22 solder dealio from Radio Shack to do the work with some .032 solder:
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There were a couple of issues I was having with my SB5001. The main one was it was buzzing like a single coil pickup will do when solo'ed, but with both pickups fully engaged. Carvin's support assumed this was due to not have a reverse polarity pickup installed, hence the new pickup. The other was a lack of low end when both pickups were on full. This was not attributed to the pickup issue by Carvin support.

So I got all my equipment together and opened up the bass. I removed both pickups first and checked the labeling. They were labeled correctly. The neck pickup had a J99AR white printed sticker on it and the bridge pickup had a piece of masking tape with J99A hand written on it. The pickups that Carvin sent had white printed stickers on them like the neck pickup did. So I assumed that the bridge pickup with the hand written masking tape label was actually mislabeled so I decided to swap that one.

This was the first time I've changed a pickup on bass I think and its been a really long time since I did it on a guitar as well, but it was fairly easy. I spent a while looking at the ends of the new pickup and how those ends were connected on the one that was installed. It was just three wires and two of them connected at the same place. So I unsoldered the existing connections and removed that pickup. I fed the new pickup wire into the control cavity and soldered it back in its place. Not as pretty as the original soldering, but tested it out and it was functional. So I sealed it back up, readjusted the pickups to match my SB5000 and restrung it.

Upon playing it I immediately noticed that the buzzing was gone when both pickups where fully engaged and it seemed to sound fuller as well similar to my SB5000. So I decided to rerecord both basses again. When I plugged in each bass to my home recording software, I watched closed the input meter for each. I noticed with all settings the same the SB5000 came in at about -11db while the SB5001 came in at -12 to -13db. I opened up the SB5001 to try and adjust the internal gain but it was already maxed out.

So I thought maybe it was a battery thing. My SB5000 has semi fresh Duracell 9V batteries in it. So I went to swap the batteries and seemed to notice a bit of a output change with the SB5000 so I went to test the SB5001 with the Duracells to verify only to find the bass dead. I immediately started flip flopping the Duracells to see if I had installed them incorrectly or if the 9V leads were crossed in the bass. They were not. I put the original Rayovac 9V batteries back in the SB5001 and the Duracells back in the SB5000 and both started working again. I pulled out the batteries and held them side by side and the Rayovacs were a hair longer. I can only assume this is why the SB5001 won't work with the Duracells.

A side note, I returned a SB4000 after a similar event. The Rayovac batteries it shipped with were dead, so I put in a new set of Duracells and the bass would not play so I assumed the preamp was bad and sent it back for a refund.

So with all that said, here is the new A/B clip between the basses. The SB5000 is first, the SB5001 is second. All settings are the same on each bass. The SB5000 still has the dead DR HiBeams on it and the SB5001 has the Carvin SS strings that came with it:

SB5000 vs. SB5001 Take 2

And here is the old clip (with the mislabeled pickup) for comparison:

Original SB5000 vs. SB5001

What y'all think?

Things I learned:
Buzzing with both pickups engaged can mean it needs a pickup swap
Duracells seem to produce a little more output from the bass
Duracells are shorter than Rayovacs
If Rayovacs have been used before, Duracells might not work
Pickup swapping ain't that hard :)
 
The basses sound the same in the original clip but different in the new one.

The 5000 had more lows in the finger style riff although the output was the same in the rest of the frequencies. I liked the 5001 slap sound better. It was more piano like.

Could be the strings in both cases.
 
I started to try and do that but I was worried the tabs might pop off.
I would think if they bent easily enough for this to happen, it wouldn't take a dangerous amount of pressure to put it back.

I'll hopefully have my SB5000 in a month or so, maybe I'll check into it as well. Just seems like it should be solveable. I mainly use Energizers and Duracells, so one way or another, I'm gonna' use what I want. :)
 
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