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Carvin's BX1500 and B2000

I got my Carvin B2000 tonight for use with my LDS 15/6/1 (tall form factor that's VERY close to the fEarful design. Eminence Kappalite 3015LF, 18Sound 6ND410, selenium tweeter, Ralf's 800hz crossover). Here are my initial thoughts based on living room testing with a Warmoth G4 with a Status carbon fiber neck and Darkstar pickups.

First-off, the amp is very well made. All of the components seem quite high quality and the build is very nice. The knobs/pots all turn with a very even, positive resistance. The subdued blue of the huge power, mute, active input and effects loop LED's is absolutely sexy. It can't all be good though. The amp isn't silent from a noise perspective. I can hear a fair amount of hiss coming from the midrange/tweeter. About the same amount as with my Markbass LMTube. The fan is incredibly loud. I used to own an Aguilar DB750, which most consider to have a very loud fan. The fan in the B2000 is at least as loud, possibly louder. There are some interesting EQ issues while I'll explain in greater detail later. The amp makes a "clunk" noise after you hit the power switch to the off position. It happens about a second after the switch is thrown. You can also hear the fan "whining" as it slows down. Sounds high pitched, not unlike a large turbo diesel engine as you step on the gas. The tube bypass doesn't do a whole lot. With the tube engaged (a single 12AX7) the amp is a little more mid-present and slightly hotter. Not a night and day difference. More noticeable than the tube blend on the Markbass LMTube, but something I think they could have easily done without and potentially used to bring the cost down a bit. Although it is already priced stupid low at $700.

On to the heart of the matter. How does the B2000 pair with the 15/6/1? The amp has PLENTY of power for this cab. I was able to drive the cab to the point of absolutely painful volume. Way louder than would be usable on any stage with PA support. If this didn't cover your volume needs... Well... Frankly I can't even imagine a realistic situation where it wouldn't.

The tone was quite balanced.... Once I made use of some creative EQ'ing. At least with this cab and my bass, the flat tone (all EQ controls at noon and the tube bypass disengaged) was very midrange heavy, bottom shy and generally awful sounding. Very thin, very ganky upper mids. Bleh... No good at all. Time to start tweaking some knobs. The amp does take to EQ'ing quite well, but there were some unexpected things about it. Keep in mind that 0 is off, 5 is noon and 10 is fill on the EQ controls. I bumped the sub-bass and bass controls up to 6. Took the Lo Mid down to 4. The Mid and the Hi Mid down to 3. The Treble stayed at 5. That's way more EQ than I'm used to adjusting when using my Markbass LMTube and this cab. That EQ got me roughly to what I'm used to with the LMTube, but with a noticeably wider frequency response from top to bottom. The tone was absolutely delicious through the 15/6/1. Bright and present without being abrasive, while at the same time being warm and thick down low. Everything was nice and balanced. The amount of EQ required to get there is troubling though. In a tough room, this amp might have problems EQ'ing itself out of a bad spot. My living room is pretty forgiving tone-wise, but I could see where the amp's "noon" setting might make it challenging in other rooms. One thing to note: The treble control of this amp is either centered fairly low (couldn't find the center on the Carvin website) or it has a VERY wide Q (I suspect the latter... Read on). Despite having a dedicated Hi Mid control, the treble control brings a lot to the table in both the upper mid areas and the upper treble areas. It simultaneously adds gank and sparkle. Honk and glass. This was my least favorite part of the EQ. I really wish the Hi Mid control would have done more of the heavy lifting in that area and let the Treble control do more of the Epifani/Tecamp thing and just add sparkle up top.

All in all I would give this combination a big thumbs up. When you consider that you could buy one of these and a 15/6/1 from LDS and have an absolutely world-class rig capable of handling practically any stage and still come in at about $1,300... Well... That's just awesome! I haven't decided if I'm going to keep this amp or send it back to Carvin as I have a Tecamp Puma1000 on the way. Tough decision. Hopefully someone found that helpful.



I have been using the #5 setting on my drive by choice and ending the night with the master at #4. With the Epi UL410-4 it is thunderous. I have run the drive anywhere from 3-7 with great results, no distortion. I am not into any distortion in my sound. I do notice an increase in girth when increasing drive up to 7 or so but definitely no distortion. I have to say I like this amp more every time I use it. The list of high end and boutique amps I have had in the last 2 years is staggering. I have to stand by my statement that the B2000 is clearly the best I have used to date. The challenge is to wrap my head around the fact it's a Carvin and I'm doing it. It is undoubtedly the best amp I have ever used in conjunction with Epi UL2-410 cabinets. Yes I have owned a 902C and a 502 this year and there is no comparison really. This amp is warmer, thicker and a huge dollar value.
BTW Chef, this is not a B1500 even though it is compared to it by many, it is a different beast for sure. :bassist:

GAS!!!
You guys are steadily moving this amp up on my GAS list!
Thanks for the input!
:bassist:
 
I think I still hold to:
''I'd prefer drive be a feature, and not tied to gain structure."

Example: the Eden Navigator's tube drive feature, which is outside the gain structure. Adjusting ''color'' does not adjust gain.

Is that ideological, or, just preference...hmmmm...

Perhaps I'm not as sane as one might think;)

Ok, now you're making sense.
I thought from what you posted earlier that you opposed using the drive control for ideological reasons.
Now I can go back to thinking you are sane indeed.
Have a great day!
:)
 
GAS!!!
You guys are steadily moving this amp up on my GAS list!
Thanks for the input!
:bassist:

With Carvin's 10 day return policy in effect I can unequivocally say get a B2000! I never had a Carvin before but I can tell you they are a USA made amp and they are "workin' hard the money". Thoughts after 8 gigs... this amp is A MONSTER ON A LEASH, an absolute bargain. :eek:
 
I think I still hold to:
''I'd prefer drive be a feature, and not tied to gain structure."

Example: the Eden Navigator's tube drive feature, which is outside the gain structure. Adjusting ''color'' does not adjust gain.

Is that ideological, or, just preference...hmmmm...

Perhaps I'm not as sane as one might think;)

1) I agree wholeheartedly.
2) Wishful thinking is possibly both.
3) Don't worry, no one is thinking that at all. :eyebrow:
 
Update on the B2000 through a 15/6/1:

Had an all day rehearsal with this amp in the toughest room I play. A large garage with 15-foot ceilings, concrete floors, no PA support for bass and a fairly loud band. Not ridiculously loud, but ear plugs are a great idea.

Reliability: The B2000 did pretty well. Never had any thermal shutdown issues which has apparently been an issue in the past with certain Carvin amps. I don't think it will be an issue with the B2000. The amp did not have any tonal changes as the day went by. From a reliability standpoint this amp appears to be very solid.

Power: Power is simply not an issue with this amp. Gobs and gobs of power, even into the 8 ohm load of my 15/6/1. I had plenty of power to drive the cab to it's full excursion. REALLY pushing it I could get the cab to start farting out, but at that point the volume was frankly unusable, so I backed it off to normal levels which were considerably lower. If you're worried about not having enough juice with this amp... Don't. Tons of power on tap. The amp was cool to the touch after being on for 6 hours.

Tone: The tone was pretty good, but not perfect. The treble control issues that I mentioned previously were still noticeable in a mix. To reiterate; The treble control seems to be centered fairly high, but has such a wide Q that if you boost it you end up boosting a lot of upper mids and your tone gets very ganky. If you cut it your tone becomes very lifeless and dull. Leaving it at noon gave the best results, but I would like the ability to add some sparkle up top and it just wasn't possible with this amp unless you really like ganky upper mids as well as sparkle. Also as I mentioned previously, the other EQ's take a fair amount of adjustment to sound balanced. In the mix I found myself boosting the sub-bass and bass controls, leaving the lo mid flat and cutting the mid and hi mid controls down to about 3-3.5. Looking at the knobs made me cringe, but this netted the closest thing to a flat tone I could get out of the amp (using an LMTube with all EQ's set to noon and both filters turned off as my benchmark for a flat tone). I like how the amp sounds, but the inherent voicing of the amp combined with that strange treble control concern me greatly. The treble control is one of the reasons that this amp is going back to Carvin on Monday.

Drive: The drive control has come up a few times in this thread. I experimented with it a bit today and have come to the conclusion that it is VERY subtle. You can get a little bit of dirt if you have the thing nearly maxed out, but even then I'd hesitate in calling it an overdrive circuit of any kind. It acts more like the character knob on the Tech 21 Character series pedals, but again, in a much more subtle manner. It felt like it was adding upper midrange content. Unfortunately adding upper midrange, no matter how subtle the addition was, is the last thing this amp needs to sound balanced. I found myself setting it around 4 and just living with it.

Misc: The random stuff like the fan being crazy loud and the clunking noise during shut down still persisted today. The fan is a subjective problem, but a potential problem none the less. The clunking noise seems to be commonplace among some of Carvin amps. I suppose it's not a problem, but it still concerns me.

Summary: Despite this review sounding a bit negative, I do actually like this amp. I will give a caveat and say that I like this amp given its price point. If this amp cost $1,000 I would not consider it given how it has performed. $800 would be the max I would pay. At $700 it's quite a bargain and worth every penny. The EQ is strange in general with the treble control being the strangest of the bunch. The weird mechanical stuff (fan and clunking mentioned earlier) is bothersome. The performance feels exceptional, the amp seems to be reliable and the build is quite robust. I like the dark blue aesthetic of the lights. The components feel sturdy and yield positive feedback to things like hitting switches or turning pots. A great value if you're looking for lots of power in a light package and have an equally light wallet. Alternatives that can be had on the used market for similar, or potentially lower prices are the Gallien-Krueger 1001RB and the Eden WT-800. Obviously there's no warranty when buying used, so that's something to consider.

Rating: 6.5, maybe 7 out of 10.

Hope that helps anyone considering this amp. Cheers!
 
Well, I had another good night with the BX1500. Totally reliable. I drove her hard again for 4+ hours at 8 ohms bridged into my LDS 15/6. No problems whatsoever... although I will say that it was not cool to the touch. Definitely warm. I have mine racked in a gator bag and it was fairly close to the wall so I am not sure how much that had to do with it.

I got a nice warm sound, good power and 10LBS. No complaints here.

I ain't sending mine back. :cool:
 
Well, I had another good night with the BX1500. Totally reliable. I drove her hard again for 4+ hours at 8 ohms bridged into my LDS 15/6. No problems whatsoever... although I will say that it was not cool to the touch. Definitely warm. I have mine racked in a gator bag and it was fairly close to the wall so I am not sure how much that had to do with it.

I got a nice warm sound, good power and 10LBS. No complaints here.

I ain't sending mine back. :cool:

Based on your experience with the BX1500, how closely would you say the basic voicing matches Silky's experience with the B2000? Are there any of the same issues with the upper-midrange "gank" that he reported? Is there the same issue with overlap between the treble frequencies and the upper mids that he experienced with the B2000? And in your (subjective) opinion, does the BX1500 require very much EQ to get a great tone, or does it sound good relatively flat? :hmm:

Thanks,

MM
 
I haven't played either and so have nothing to base this on, but it appears that the eq of the bx1500 is very, very different than the b2000.

The bx1500's three bands of semi-para eq combined with the graphic section really leaves only the shelving bass and treble controls that have any chance of being similarly voiced. If it has any of that similar gank, it should be very easy to eq it right out.

As always, I could be wrong, ymmv, etc.
 
I haven't played either and so have nothing to base this on, but it appears that the eq of the bx1500 is very, very different than the b2000.

The bx1500's three bands of semi-para eq combined with the graphic section really leaves only the shelving bass and treble controls that have any chance of being similarly voiced. If it has any of that similar gank, it should be very easy to eq it right out.

As always, I could be wrong, ymmv, etc.

Yeah, I think they have totally different preamp circuitry.
 
Based on your experience with the BX1500, how closely would you say the basic voicing matches Silky's experience with the B2000? Are there any of the same issues with the upper-midrange "gank" that he reported? Is there the same issue with overlap between the treble frequencies and the upper mids that he experienced with the B2000? And in your (subjective) opinion, does the BX1500 require very much EQ to get a great tone, or does it sound good relatively flat? :hmm:

Thanks,

MM
For the tone I like it does require EQing. Keep in mind I have a very specific tone. I dont like high mids and cut there quite a bit. I dont have much in the way of highs in my tone, but I boost the upper bass / low-mids to get a full yet punchy tone.

I'm not very good at describing tone, but I'd say set FLAT this amp does have a fair bit upper mid content. I dont know that I would call it "gank" but it dials out easily enough IME. I cant comment on the 'overlap between the treble frequencies and the upper mids' issue as I generally kibosh those frequencies and cant quite remember how those sound flat since I never play the amp that way.

Again, *I* think the amp does require eq for *my* tone. BUT with the semi-parametric eq it is fairly easy to achieve a very nice warm tone.

If I recall correctly my settings are thus:

Bass eq at 50hz: Flat

Low-mid semi parametric set at approx 60hz and bumped up a nudge

Mid semi parametric set to 450hz and cut to 10:00

High mid parametric set to 1.2khz and cut to 9:00

Treble dialed right off

Using the 9 band graphic:

Nudge at 80hz, Nudge at 250hz and a healthy bump at the 125hz (sort of a soft bell curve). Everything else on the 9 band is left flat. If the room is really difficult I'll use the 9 band to make adjustments, but so far I have not had to.

As mentioned above, I often also employ the use of a VT Bass pedal. Last night the settings on the VT were fairly close to flat aside from a cut on the Drive to 10:00. I could easily get away without using the VT Bass with this amp, but since its already on my pedal board I use it. It does smooth out the tone some and add punch at the same time.

One of the key reasons I chose the BX1500 over the b2000 is because I think more control is always a better thing and the bx1500 offers plenty of that in comparison to the b2000.

I'm happy with the amp. However, to be fair, if I didnt need big wattage at 8 ohms to push my 15/6, I would have been quite happy to just stick with my LMII.
 
First of all at home I require that same type of eq that smoove is referring to, and the results are great. This amps sound at home doesn't really mean a thing for me personally. It's true the fan is to loud for home practice... what do you expect with this outrageous amount of power. In the interest of accuracy, I find it's not nearly as loud as my DB750 fan, with them stacked and both amps on you can not hear the B2000 fan at all... until you turn off the DB750. :eyebrow:
On the gigs this week I ended up with the drive at #5, sub and bass knobs at #6 and everything else flat master at #4 and with my Bart on board pre completely flat it produced a thick, rich, articulate tone live. Even our sound engineer raved about the fact that it didn't mud up in the mix. The band members said my bass sounds more dimensional and present than ever before. Oh by the way no one, including myself heard the fan once all night. This is what I bought it for and I use it with Epi UL cabs specifically. It is the best sounding amp in conjunction with my Epi UL2's I have ever used. :cool:
 
Another update about the BX1500. I have been putting LOTS of hours on it and have had no problems at all. Bridged at 4 ohms it remains cold even when cranked for a long time. I am very happy with the tone (with the tube on), graphic EQ and compressor from this amp!

I never got to A/B it with a B2000, but I did have a B1500 before this one and I like the BX1500's sound even better.

These are the main reasons I bought the BX1500 over the B2000:

1. Saved myself about $350 because I did not have to buy a new pedal compressor ($250 for a top pedal comp plus $100 extra for the B2000 head).

2. 200 more watts for greater headroom (running at 4 ohms).

3. I like the EQ much better as you have parametric and graphic on the BX1500. The B2000 you only have fixed EQ and they even changed the EQ frequencies from the B1500.

B1500 - 30, 100, 300, 1k, 3k, 10k
B2000 - 40, 100, 400, 800, 2k, 6k

If anyone is able to do a direct comparison of the BX1500 vs. the B2000 (with the same bass and cabinet) I would be interested in your thoughts.

:bassist: