Change to SVT 212 cab

[Grinderman]

WHAT'S THE DEAL

I'm considering parting with my 4ohm Eden D410XLT for an Ampeg SVT-212AV to drive with my SVT-II head.

I found a locally listed used 212 in excellent condition for a reasonable asking price that I could make an offer on--I'm thinking about 15% under asking.



PROS vs CONS

The Eden is a heavy-duty piece of gear.

Compared to the Eden, the 212 is about 32 pounds lighter and arguably voiced better for the SVT head.

The 212 can't handle quite as much power and isn't quite as loud as what the Eden cab can do but not enough that it would matter--to me, at least I believe.

I think I have a clear understanding of the tradeoffs, but maybe I'm missing something.



THE QUESTION

I've been back and forth about it because it's probably such a lateral move I'm doubtful about putting the time and effort into doing it.

Lateral moves can be pointless. On the other hand, lateral moves can be just right and good in the context of an equipment pairing or team.

Is there any part or one thing about it that seems super stupid that could completely move me off thinking any more about it?




BUT WHATABOUT FRIDGE?

Yeah, fridge... I know but this is for at home; smaller imposes less in terms of space and it's much easier to move around or aside within the space. Outside of the home is a separate situation/non-concern or covered concern. I'm more comfortable with a mini-fridge at home.

We already know as a matter of record that @JimmyM is not of mixing SVTs with Eden cabs, right Jimmy? He might push me to do it.

 

[WRM]

It's obvious - buy the 212 and keep both.

I'd trade both of my Rumble 410s for a SW212, but haven't figured out how to make that deal happen?...

 

[Grinderman]

It's obvious - buy the 212 and keep both.

I'd trade both of my Rumble 410s for a SW212, but haven't figured out how to make that deal happen?...

If life were so easy... I'd keep both if homes here didn't cost about $1,000 per square foot and Ms. didn't already have so much stuff--space is finite.

I also don't like being the sort who keeps too many things anyway.

 

[Wasnex]

I'd keep both if homes here didn't cost about $1,000 per square foot and Ms. didn't already have so much stuff--space is finite.

That's why you stack them vertically.

 

[Wasnex]

Only you can decide. Find a way to try the SVT212 and make your own decision.

The SVT212 is supposed to do a fairly good emulation of an 810. I don't particularly care for the sound of an 810...so it probably wouldn't be a good trade for me.

I gigged Eden D210 and D410 XLT cabs for several years. I was not totally happy with the gritty quality they had in the high-mids, but I liked everything else about the way they sounded. I agree they were heavy though, so I typically used just the 210. I pushed it with about 260W and it was plenty for my needs. Calculated SPL at 260W is ~127dB.

The SVT212 is 66lbs. I believe the D410XLT is about 98lbs. How much do you value a 32lb weight savings.

SVT212 is rated 99dB 1W/1m With 300W you get ~123.7dB. Barely enough IMHO. With a pair at 300W, you get ~126.7dB.

D410XLT is rated 106dB 1W/1m With 300W you get ~130.7dB. This is probably a bit optimistic, but it is a very efficient cab in my experience. If it is not loud enough, you have a problem.

 

[Grinderman]

That's why you stack them vertically.

On its face that would be logical, but I'm not the top boss here. Probably best to not stir the pot quite that much.

 

[Grinderman]

Only you can decide. Find a way to try the SVT212 and make your own decision.

The SVT212 is supposed to do a fairly good emulation of an 810. I don't particularly care for the sound of an 810...so it probably wouldn't be a good trade for me.

I gigged Eden D210 and D410 XLT cabs for several years. I was not totally happy with the gritty quality they had in the high-mids, but I liked everything else about the way they sounded. I agree they were heavy though, so I typically used just the 210. I pushed it with about 260W and it was plenty for my needs. Calculated SPL at 260W is ~127dB.

The SVT212 is 66lbs. I believe the D410XLT is about 98lbs. How much do you value a 32lb weight savings.

SVT212 is rated 99dB 1W/1m With 300W you get ~123.7dB. Barely enough IMHO. With a pair at 300W, you get ~126.7dB.

D410XLT is rated 106dB 1W/1m With 300W you get ~130.7dB. This is probably a bit optimistic, but it is a very efficient cab in my experience. If it is not loud enough, you have a problem.

You're right and I don't care about the 32 pounds, I was just reaching; busted.

BTW, someone nearby is selling 2 x 8ohm Eden D810XLTs in mint condition for $800 total. I need a bigger house and a bigger garage.

I should quit this daydream while I'm ahead.

 

[Michael J Toren]

That's why you stack them vertically.

 

[Marko 1]

BTW, someone nearby is selling 2 x 8ohm Eden D810XLTs in mint condition for $800 total.

Dude.... make it fit!

 

[Grinderman]

Dude.... make it fit!

Ms. will make it fit up my keister if I try.

Man... that would be about 300 pounds of dead weight with the SVT-II in the wood outer shell.

 

[JeezyMcNuggles]

WHAT'S THE DEAL

I'm considering parting with my 4ohm Eden D410XLT for an Ampeg SVT-212AV to drive with my SVT-II head.

I found a locally listed used 212 in excellent condition for a reasonable asking price that I could make an offer on--I'm thinking about 15% under asking.



PROS vs CONS

The Eden is a heavy-duty piece of gear.

Compared to the Eden, the 212 is about 32 pounds lighter and arguably voiced better for the SVT head.

The 212 can't handle quite as much power and isn't quite as loud as what the Eden cab can do but not enough that it would matter--to me, at least I believe.

I think I have a clear understanding of the tradeoffs, but maybe I'm missing something.



THE QUESTION

I've been back and forth about it because it's probably such a lateral move I'm doubtful about putting the time and effort into doing it.

Lateral moves can be pointless. On the other hand, lateral moves can be just right and good in the context of an equipment pairing or team.

Is there any part or one thing about it that seems super stupid that could completely move me off thinking any more about it?




BUT WHATABOUT FRIDGE?

Yeah, fridge... I know but this is for at home; smaller imposes less in terms of space and it's much easier to move around or aside within the space. Outside of the home is a separate situation/non-concern or covered concern. I'm more comfortable with a mini-fridge at home.

We already know as a matter of record that @JimmyM is not of mixing SVTs with Eden cabs, right Jimmy? He might push me to do it.

Dude, do it. You'll love it. Put 3" castors on it. It doesn't have wheels, and can be a pain to move around otherwise. But, it's loud, looks great, and sounds killer. You'll dig it.

 

[J-Bass RMR]

Ampeg SVT-212AV to drive with my SVT-II head

It's probably been 6-7 years ago, when I still had my SVT VR, and I had just gotten the 212AV, and I used that combo at a pretty small venue. (had the volume low, but had a VT in front of it).
I couldn't remember the last time I got that many compliments on my sound!
(probably didn't hurt that the sound man was a bass player as well)

Prior to that, my main/only gigging rig for the previous 25 years had been my SWR 410.
I never looked back! - I just don't know how the Eden compares to the SWR though (?).

Back then, I paid $425 off of CL for the Ampeg 212, and it was basically mint.
Don't know how the introduction of the new Ampeg cabs will affect that market...

 

[coreyfyfe]

Only you can decide. Find a way to try the SVT212 and make your own decision.

The SVT212 is supposed to do a fairly good emulation of an 810. I don't particularly care for the sound of an 810...so it probably wouldn't be a good trade for me.

I gigged Eden D210 and D410 XLT cabs for several years. I was not totally happy with the gritty quality they had in the high-mids, but I liked everything else about the way they sounded. I agree they were heavy though, so I typically used just the 210. I pushed it with about 260W and it was plenty for my needs. Calculated SPL at 260W is ~127dB.

The SVT212 is 66lbs. I believe the D410XLT is about 98lbs. How much do you value a 32lb weight savings.

SVT212 is rated 99dB 1W/1m With 300W you get ~123.7dB. Barely enough IMHO. With a pair at 300W, you get ~126.7dB.

D410XLT is rated 106dB 1W/1m With 300W you get ~130.7dB. This is probably a bit optimistic, but it is a very efficient cab in my experience. If it is not loud enough, you have a problem.

I had a pair of the 112AV so not quite the same as the 212AV, but where I would say the 810 comparison works is the low end. It’s tight and controlled with a tube amp thanks to the tuning of the cabs, and doesn’t get boomy like some ported cabs can.

The 12 cabs didn’t have the midrange issues of the 810. I always found with an 810 and more “scooped by nature” amps the pairing could be really hit or miss. Amps I didn’t like with an 810 worked well with the 112AV stack. My ampegs which are flatter by nature worked well with either.

Personally, if I needed to be louder than I could go with an SVT and the 112AV stack then we had full FOH/PA support, or we were too loud (or both).

If OP likes the eden cab and wants the same sound in a smaller/lighter package I’m not sure I would recommend a change to the 212AV. But otherwise I found them to be a decent sounding cab.

 

[Ostie]

Keep the Eden until you get the SVT then decide which one you like best.

 

[Grinderman]

Keep the Eden until you get the SVT then decide which one you like best.

Agree. I wouldn't do it any other way.

 

[Grinderman]

I had a pair of the 112AV so not quite the same as the 212AV, but where I would say the 810 comparison works is the low end. It’s tight and controlled with a tube amp thanks to the tuning of the cabs, and doesn’t get boomy like some ported cabs can.

The 12 cabs didn’t have the midrange issues of the 810. I always found with an 810 and more “scooped by nature” amps the pairing could be really hit or miss. Amps I didn’t like with an 810 worked well with the 112AV stack. My ampegs which are flatter by nature worked well with either.

Personally, if I needed to be louder than I could go with an SVT and the 112AV stack then we had full FOH/PA support, or we were too loud (or both).

If OP likes the eden cab and wants the same sound in a smaller/lighter package I’m not sure I would recommend a change to the 212AV. But otherwise I found them to be a decent sounding cab.

Which sounds better to me is the overriding matter. It's not that the Eden sounds bad. Which sounds better to me would come down to subtle differences. Try and compare is the only way to find out. I'd keep both for the time it takes to decide if I do.

 

[deff]

I personally think the Eden is one of the nicest 410's made. It was such an underrated cab and I really like 212AV's. I'd keep the Eden because despite it's weight it is a killer 410.

 

[Mastermold]

I have no experience with the Eden but really like the Ampeg 212AV cab, been using one with my SVTs for several years now and it sounds great, easy to use club gigs.

 

[RC61]

I have a 212AV and a 112AV. the 212AV sounds great with my V4B and also a fender rumble 500 or 800. I'm replacing the 112AV speaker and putting in a Eminence 4ohm so I can stack them and run it at 2 ohm together.

 

[JeezyMcNuggles]

I have a 212AV and a 112AV. the 212AV sounds great with my V4B and also a fender rumble 500 or 800. I'm replacing the 112AV speaker and putting in a Eminence 4ohm so I can stack them and run it at 2 ohm together.

You don't need to change anything to run those together perfectly. They have the same exact speakers in them. It makes a perfect 312 where each speaker gets the same amount of power if you just run them as they are.

Dino told me to run out of the 2 ohm port. I never had a problem.