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Charlie Haden x2

Each of these might have been posted before, I just came across Ramblin: Baker, Haden, Frisell (as the Ginger Baker Trio).
I've always liked Charlie Haden's progressions, but didn't always understand his solos.
The way that Ginger Baker and Frisell work off his foundation really helped.
And made me think back to Lonely Woman. Both beautiful pieces.

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I just came across Ramblin: Baker, Haden, Frisell (as the Ginger Baker Trio).

I bought the first album by that Ginger Baker Trio (mostly because I'm a huge Frisell fan). It doesn't get a lot of playing time around here, in part because Baker's drumming is a bit of a contradiction to my ears: His swing feels really good -- relaxed, loping, never too hyperkinetic or busy -- but it has an air of remediality to it. He never seems to engage with or react to the other players, just chugs along laying down time. I tend to prefer more conversational drummers in jazz.

But Haden is an incredible gift. Time, feel, tone, note choices, all the absolute pinnacle of the craft.
 
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Baker's drumming is a bit of a contradiction to my ears: His swing feels really good -- relaxed, loping, never too hyperkinetic or busy -- but it has an air of remediality to it. He never seems to engage with or react to the other players, just chugs along laying down time. I tend to prefer more conversational drummers in jazz.
I went back to listen to the version on "Change of the Century", and can see what you're saying. I think that a lot it has do simply who Ginger Baker was, a reflection of his temperament and character, and a difference in the combination of the musicians, (how keyed in they might be for a number of reasons, including how much time they played together added to mutual musical sensibility.). I actually went back and re-watched "Beware Mister Baker" a couple of days ago.

I think Ginger is keying in as much as he can, but in a certain sense he is not just driving the beat, but it is driven in turn by things that he had little conscious relationship with; it results in a difference in articulation and responsiveness. But dang, he sure comes to life, his drumming has a lot of energy and that's neat to see and hear. The smile of a maniac, when he plays, but it's a HUGE contagious smile, open...like a child.
On it's own terms, distinct from that limitation, I really enjoy his playing. Some people need to play to stay alive, I think.

Charlie Haden, yeah, and Bill Frisell's playing about knocks me to pieces in this. Like little crystals coming down, ringing in the air. That whole section starting at about the 7:20 to the ten-minute mark, so damn beautiful.
 
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