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CheapGuitarStores.com "replica Chinese basses"

Genuine or replica?

  • Genuine - The fake will fall apart.

    Votes: 85 72.0%
  • Replica - A worthy budget-wise alternative.

    Votes: 33 28.0%

  • Total voters
    118
I couldn't find anything in your post relevant to this discussion. Are you sure you're awake? :laugh:
I think his claim is that since Fender contracted with overseas manufacturers, they have no one to blame but themselves for counterfeiters. I don't buy this argument one bit.
 
I think his claim is that since Fender contracted with overseas manufacturers, they have no one to blame but themselves for counterfeiters. I don't buy this argument one bit.

I'm going to go off track just this once
research the C9600 chassis that inhabits
most of your smartphones
in order to lower costs
the schemes were shared with
certain entities who were
let in the chicken coop
now the developers
wished they kept it all
in silicon valley
Just sayin'

For the record
I own
a Warmoth Gecko Wide5
a Warmoth P/J
a Pan/Alembic J bass (1975)
I'm good:cool:
not interested in trickenbackers, chibsons, etc, etc
but I do look at Mr. Doners (sp) work and
all the luthiers on the forum for ideas and (going to see if @the ombudsman has something posted too)
admire most of it. I just think the argument is the Asian market selling items as they are originals. They should come up with their own image whether it's in a different headstock a different way to contour the body instead of one to one knock offs and trying to pass it off. They still have a right to a livelihood they just need to tweak it to not confuse an uninformed public.


We need a "peace" emogee
 
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I went through a phase with cheap Chinese tools and after enough frustration and injury I gave in and bought real name brand stuff. That experience just about killed any enthusiasm for cheap knockoff products, including basses

What would be interesting is a "native" Chinese brand going global with original designs and actual professional workmanship, priced for and marketed to gigging musicians. I'd pay for a Chinese bass if it were a real bass and not a poorly built counterfeit
 
I think his claim is that since Fender contracted with overseas manufacturers, they have no one to blame but themselves for counterfeiters. I don't buy this argument one bit.

Yeah, that's laughable. There's not one bit of top secret information needed to copy a design or figure out how to make a mediocre quality bass. This is in the same plane as the argument made (not in this thread) that fake Rics are justified because Ric doesn't offer a budget line of instruments. This sense of entitlement is sad really.
 
Yeah, that's laughable. There's not one bit of top secret information needed to copy a design or figure out how to make a mediocre quality bass. This is in the same plane as the argument made (not in this thread) that fake Rics are justified because Ric doesn't offer a budget line of instruments. This sense of entitlement is sad really.
As simple as buying a Ric and disassembling it. I'll bet they make the money back within their first few copies
 
Value is based on scarcity. By creating a substitute, scarcity is reduced; that is, there are fewer people desiring the same number of items. The value decreases because there is less competition for the item.


There were only X number of Cobras made, even fewer in 427 configuration. No one paying $40K for a replica is going to mistake it for a authentic one that usually sells for $2-3 MILLION.

I would posit that the fiberglass it body, the non correct suspension and engine would be a hint for all but the most gullible, after all it is buyer beware.

Your argument might hold water IF the product was still being produced.
 
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I went through a phase with cheap Chinese tools and after enough frustration and injury I gave in and bought real name brand stuff. That experience just about killed any enthusiasm for cheap knockoff products, including basses

What would be interesting is a "native" Chinese brand going global with original designs and actual professional workmanship, priced for and marketed to gigging musicians. I'd pay for a Chinese bass if it were a real bass and not a poorly built counterfeit


Why would they create a brand when they are making many for already known companies?
 
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I think his claim is that since Fender contracted with overseas manufacturers, they have no one to blame but themselves for counterfeiters. I don't buy this argument one bit.

Yeah, that's laughable. There's not one bit of top secret information needed to copy a design or figure out how to make a mediocre quality bass. This is in the same plane as the argument made (not in this thread) that fake Rics are justified because Ric doesn't offer a budget line of instruments. This sense of entitlement is sad really.

1981 Matsumoku
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Matsumoku (Vantage) 335 copy
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Matsumoku doesn't receive the raking over the coals and
it's because they changed the headstock or in the case
of the Mockingbird copy the name on the headstock
Some (not all) of the Epiphone 335's were also manufactured by
Matsumoku for Gibson. If you look inside an
Epi 335 and a Vantage 335
they both have, excuse me
they ALL have
Samsung pickups
 
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1981 Matsumoku Matsumoku (Vantage) 335 copy
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Matsumoku doesn't receive the raking over the coals and
it's because they changed the headstock or in the case
of the Mockingbird copy the name on the headstock
Some (not all) of the Epiphone 335's were also manufactured by
Matsumoku for Gibson. If you look inside an
Epi 335 and a Vantage 335
they both have, excuse me
they ALL have
Samsung pickups
Exactly my point. They never claimed to be making Fenders, Gibsons etc. For what they were, they made nice, affordable, facsimiles of familiar brands. Playable guitars and basses that allowed a lot of us to learn without spending a lot of money. Most of us moved on to the real thing and never looked back. I absolutely love my Matsumoku (Aria) acoustic Martin clone that I still play almost every day. Sounds as good today as it did almost forty years ago. A very nice guitar.
 
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There is a
method to my madness once they stop copying and start making distinctive
designs of their own I'll probably get one but it's got to sell for $349 can you dig it?
:cool::roflmao:

If they would stop making counterfeits, I would have less problem. The other problem is entirely practical. If you order a bass from Sweetwater, and there is a quality issue, they give you a return label, you return it and get a replacement. If it happens with one of these companies, often there is no customer support, and often, even assuming they agree to take it back, you are responsible for shipping to China. But that is a separate issue, and one for the buyer to consider on their own.

I see no "anti-China/anti-foreigner" bias here with the original issue, only the issue with illegal counterfeits, and the issue I raised in this post.

Peace...