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Choosing a "clean" preamp/DI

I've been using a Landmark 300 head with a Presonus Studio Strip. The Presonus is a good choice for an all-in-one clean preamp. You can dial in tube warmth or stay dry n clean. The compressor and parametric EQ are both very effective tone shapers.
The Para Driver/RPM half of the Landmark 300 would be my second recommendation. It sounds great as a clean preamp, but not as feature packed as the Presonus. Lastly, the Bass Driver/RPI half of the Landmark 300 is best for dirty amp tones.
 
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OP requests a "clean" preamp/DI, then expresses disappointment at IMO the best actual clean preamp/DI, the QStrip.
If you want character, i love the JHS Colour Box. It has limitations that could be deal breakers, though.
You can't use the XLR out and the 1/4" out at the same time (unless you mod yours, like i did).
If you want clean, but warm, the QStrip is perfect. It beat out a number of other DIs to become my go-to for church and recording.
I put it against the Tone Hammer and the RNDI.
The Tone Hammer has the absolutely useless (IMO) feature of the Aggro switch, which adds a whopping 12dB boost, and cannot be taken out. So as a "switchable" feature, it's rubbish. Good EQ and good base tone, but having that switch there, just staring at me the whole time, laughing at me, taunting me with its uselessness…
The RNDI is AMAZING. I love it. But it requires phantom power, and there's nothing else to it.
The Qstrip sounds great. Tonally in the ballpark of the RNDI, but with a super useful EQ, routing options, and it can be powered by 9v, battery, or phantom.
It was a no-brainer. QStrip has everything you need, a couple things you didn't know you needed, and nothing you don't.
 
Clean preamp/DI? Grace Alix if you can afford one. In USA, $695 new, used ones in the $4-500 range.

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Alright, I'm starting a new thread on this to keep things a bit more clear. I got a bit more money to spend and I'm looking to get a good preamp/DI box.

My sound is mainly clean. A touch of OD but that's as far as I'll go with distortion. Never use fuzz or straight up distortion at all, don't need it, don't like, don't want it. I mainly play rock, in all its various incarnations. Bit of metal in there too but nothing that would need distortion.

A dealbreaker would be a noisy signal. I need a good DI and noise is a no-no.

The main purpose of this is to have a consistent tone as well as add some character, warmth and "oomph" to whatever I'm playing. Over here, backline is always provided and I don't wanna rely on whatever's available, save for monitoring, basically. So I need something both for recording direct, as well as being able to just send it straight to the FOH and go from there. In the future, I'll get IEM to go completely ampless.

I'm gonna start with the ones that are above my price range. Mesa Subway, Microbass III, Bass Butler, Markbass vintage pre, anything Noble. And being in Europe, I can't really find any of those used. Even if I did, the used prices aren't low enough for me to afford them.

The contenders are:

Aguilar Tone Hammer: From the many videos I've seen, it seems a bit... bland. I find it uninspiring and very "mild". The AGS thing also seems to be something that I'd use set waaaaay down, just to add a bit of hair. For anything else, it seems to be just obnoxious and also jacks up the volume so it doesn't seem like something you could use as a discreet OD setting, just a set and forget kinda thing.
All in all, it's on the very bottom of my list but it gets so many accolades here it's got me curious if there's something I'm not hearing.

GK Plex: This thing has everything AND the kitchen sink. Big plusses are the cab sim, compressor and tuner, which you can't find on most other stuff. Also various voicings and nice EQ options. I quite like it although my only concern is that it does kinda tend to get a bit more... digital or hi-fi than I'd like. Less warm, more "clinical", so to speak.

Le Bass: This one's pretty confusing. I love the tube aspect. Don't know if it's a starved plate kinda thing but it does seem to sound much warmer than the rest. However, I have no use for the distortion settings and from what I gather, those tend to be a big part of this pedal. Otherwise, honestly, this one sounded the best to me.

EBS Valve Drive: I'd used the older version in the past. Really liked it back then but I again, I'm not quite sure about it. Seems quite limited in its options and just a bit "gimmicky" with the tube. It gets a nice tone but lacks further tone shaping features and that places it lower on my list.

The outliers/unknowns:

DG Alpha-Omega: I briefly thought about this one but it seems its main thing is pretty nasty distortion and that would just be useless to me. Using it for cleans might not be the best tactic, considering there are other ones that do that kinda thing better.

DSM & Humboldt Simplifier: Total unknown. I literally know nothing of this thing and it seems to be more of a cab sim than a preamp. I find cab sims extremely useful but... yeah. Enlighten me.

QStrip: This one also seems to be popular around here as a clean pedal but I must say, I'm not impressed. If anything, I think it was underwhelming and, apart from the VERY useful HPF & LPF options, to me, it doesn't sound like it adds any character or does anything more than a good dedicated EQ pedal couldn't do. But again, maybe I'm just plain wrong.

The Sansamp offerings have me a bit confused. I kinda sorta like most of them but I feel they're lacking something and I just can't get over the lack of mids and mid control (say on the BDDI).


Another option I thought about was going for something like the Presonus Studio Channel. It's a tube driven studio preamp with a nice parametric EQ and a compressor with extensive settings. It might not get me any grit but I suppose any soft OD pedal can do that job on the cheap. Other than that, this thing seems to have everything one might need. Only thing that holds me back is the rack format which isn't as easy to lug around as a single pedal you can just throw in the gigbag and be done with it.


So... help?

Many thanks

I use an Eden WTDI. Comes with bass, treble mid range with sweep button, adjustable Enhance ( scooped low mid boost treble) as well is adjustable input driven compression, gain and master volume. The last I looked, retails for under $200 us, around $100 used. Haven't had any sound engineers complain about noise.

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I have the Tone Hammer on my big pedal board. It has been there for years. It's a very good pedal and I would recommend it. They have a good sound. But to me, only one at a time. I am into the new Mesa stuff, is incredible. If I were to get one today I would get the Mesa pedal. After getting one of the new Mesa amps I no longer use a pre-amp pedal or DI.
 
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Alright, I'm starting a new thread on this to keep things a bit more clear. I got a bit more money to spend and I'm looking to get a good preamp/DI box.

My sound is mainly clean. A touch of OD but that's as far as I'll go with distortion. Never use fuzz or straight up distortion at all, don't need it, don't like, don't want it. I mainly play rock, in all its various incarnations. Bit of metal in there too but nothing that would need distortion.

A dealbreaker would be a noisy signal. I need a good DI and noise is a no-no.

The main purpose of this is to have a consistent tone as well as add some character, warmth and "oomph" to whatever I'm playing. Over here, backline is always provided and I don't wanna rely on whatever's available, save for monitoring, basically. So I need something both for recording direct, as well as being able to just send it straight to the FOH and go from there. In the future, I'll get IEM to go completely ampless.

I'm gonna start with the ones that are above my price range. Mesa Subway, Microbass III, Bass Butler, Markbass vintage pre, anything Noble. And being in Europe, I can't really find any of those used. Even if I did, the used prices aren't low enough for me to afford them.

The contenders are:

Aguilar Tone Hammer: From the many videos I've seen, it seems a bit... bland. I find it uninspiring and very "mild". The AGS thing also seems to be something that I'd use set waaaaay down, just to add a bit of hair. For anything else, it seems to be just obnoxious and also jacks up the volume so it doesn't seem like something you could use as a discreet OD setting, just a set and forget kinda thing.
All in all, it's on the very bottom of my list but it gets so many accolades here it's got me curious if there's something I'm not hearing.

GK Plex: This thing has everything AND the kitchen sink. Big plusses are the cab sim, compressor and tuner, which you can't find on most other stuff. Also various voicings and nice EQ options. I quite like it although my only concern is that it does kinda tend to get a bit more... digital or hi-fi than I'd like. Less warm, more "clinical", so to speak.

Le Bass: This one's pretty confusing. I love the tube aspect. Don't know if it's a starved plate kinda thing but it does seem to sound much warmer than the rest. However, I have no use for the distortion settings and from what I gather, those tend to be a big part of this pedal. Otherwise, honestly, this one sounded the best to me.

EBS Valve Drive: I'd used the older version in the past. Really liked it back then but I again, I'm not quite sure about it. Seems quite limited in its options and just a bit "gimmicky" with the tube. It gets a nice tone but lacks further tone shaping features and that places it lower on my list.

The outliers/unknowns:

DG Alpha-Omega: I briefly thought about this one but it seems its main thing is pretty nasty distortion and that would just be useless to me. Using it for cleans might not be the best tactic, considering there are other ones that do that kinda thing better.

DSM & Humboldt Simplifier: Total unknown. I literally know nothing of this thing and it seems to be more of a cab sim than a preamp. I find cab sims extremely useful but... yeah. Enlighten me.

QStrip: This one also seems to be popular around here as a clean pedal but I must say, I'm not impressed. If anything, I think it was underwhelming and, apart from the VERY useful HPF & LPF options, to me, it doesn't sound like it adds any character or does anything more than a good dedicated EQ pedal couldn't do. But again, maybe I'm just plain wrong.

The Sansamp offerings have me a bit confused. I kinda sorta like most of them but I feel they're lacking something and I just can't get over the lack of mids and mid control (say on the BDDI).


Another option I thought about was going for something like the Presonus Studio Channel. It's a tube driven studio preamp with a nice parametric EQ and a compressor with extensive settings. It might not get me any grit but I suppose any soft OD pedal can do that job on the cheap. Other than that, this thing seems to have everything one might need. Only thing that holds me back is the rack format which isn't as easy to lug around as a single pedal you can just throw in the gigbag and be done with it.


So... help?

Many thanks

I've been using a Trickfish Minnow for about 9 months. Very transparent and clean DI with great EQ. Really great pedal.
 
The Sadowsky Bass Preamp D.I. SBPDI2 has a DI 2 band preamp, mute, tuner out
Acts more like an active 2 band preamp that is boost only, can be set flat. Awesome little trick for being able to make a passive bass have some active flavor or to help out low end lacking pedals on your pedal board. Very transparent, can just be turned up to sprinkle a little something extra or nothing at all. Easy to set at unity gain, I use it for a little extra shaping and for the mute, mine is always on also has latching foot switches so the mute and the pedal are always on when I power up!
 
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Thanks for all the responses!

The Mesa seems to get a lot of love but it is out of my budget. Not to mention that I can't find it used and, even new I can only find it from a couple of sellers on Reverb. Same goes for the Trickfish, Grace and a few others mentioned here. Don't forget, Europe...

OP requests a "clean" preamp/DI, then expresses disappointment at IMO the best actual clean preamp/DI, the QStrip.
If you want character, i love the JHS Colour Box.

I do want a little character. I didn't much like the Qstrip because it's just as you described it. It feels like just an EQ with a DI out. I don't know if I'm explaining it correctly but I'd rather get the Darkglass A-Ω (extreme example) and use very little grit to get that extra character in there, rather than the cleanest preamp. I said clean because I don't want full on distortion. I do use light OD but in this instance it can be an "afterthought", added with another pedal.
 
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I've got the Le Bass and I think it'd serve your purposes pretty well. It isn't a starved plate design; the tube runs at 200v internally, so it isn't a gimmick. I've used it as a DI both live and in the studio, and I use it with my Genzler head when using an amp. In all of those scenarios, it's given my tone a nice warmth. I generally run channel A, but sometimes I use the cold fusion mode as well. I wouldn't be put off by the distortion elements since channel A always stays clean (but warm), and the fusion modes allow you to blend in as much grit as you like. I've done a bit of tube rolling in mine as well and it responds well. When I bought it I A/B'd against a Tone Hammer and much preferred the Le Bass. Definitely worth checking out IMO.