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Chorus vs. Flanger, and what's good?

Well this thread has been inactive for awhile but if anyone is still following, I am buying a Boss CE-3 MIJ chorus pedal today. Less than half the price of the Tech 21 so if it works out it'll be awesome. If not, i can always resell. It's a vintage pedal. I'll let y'all know what i think later :D

I think you'll like it. I've heard those before and they are very bright IMO. How's the amp search going?
 
My Fav chorus and flanger happen to be one pedal. The Boss BF-2 Flanger. If you turn down the res and manual you have a very effective chorus. Can do subtle flanging to full-on "marble down a hallway" type of flanging. I've also done a few mods that turn it into a filter matrix, mad flanger, mad chorus and a really good vibe mod.
 
I think you'll like it. I've heard those before and they are very bright IMO. How's the amp search going?

Make sure to try the pedal out in a live situation before you decide if you want to keep it (if you intend to use it live). In my experience, chorus pedals that sound "brighter" don't sound as nice as a deeper/warmer chorus for practicing at home or solo play, but they shine in a live setting since they pop out of the mix way better.
 
My Fav chorus and flanger happen to be one pedal. The Boss BF-2 Flanger. If you turn down the res and manual you have a very effective chorus. Can do subtle flanging to full-on "marble down a hallway" type of flanging. I've also done a few mods that turn it into a filter matrix, mad flanger, mad chorus and a really good vibe mod.

I really want to get a hold of one of those when i get the money after my new rig. The guy i just bought this chorus pedal from actually has one that he may or may not sell me at a later date.
 
My two PERSONAL favorite chorus pedals are #1: the EHX Small Clone and #2: a mid-90's plastic cased Ibanez "Sound Tank" series chorus. Both sound (to me) fantastic, though the EHX is a bit more subtle.

In my metal band, the Small Clone is "ON" 100% of the time, all the time.

As far as flanger, I don't often use it. But again, I have two favorites and one that I personally hate.

Favorites:
BOSS BF-2
EHX Deluxe Electric Mistress

The EHX can really get odd, and the BF-2 sounds great all around and can get you from a nice mellow chorus, to full on drunken UFO.

The one that I hate:
BOSS BF-3

Bought it when it came out thinking it was the next great thing, an evolution of my BF-2... It's not. Totally different animal. I couldn't get a single sound that I liked out of it.

Do yourself a favor, cruise pawnshops until you find an old BF-2. They're well worth the $20 or so you could convince the pawnbroker to take. :)
 
My two PERSONAL favorite chorus pedals are #1: the EHX Small Clone and #2: a mid-90's plastic cased Ibanez "Sound Tank" series chorus. Both sound (to me) fantastic, though the EHX is a bit more subtle.

In my metal band, the Small Clone is "ON" 100% of the time, all the time.

As far as flanger, I don't often use it. But again, I have two favorites and one that I personally hate.

Favorites:
BOSS BF-2
EHX Deluxe Electric Mistress

The EHX can really get odd, and the BF-2 sounds great all around and can get you from a nice mellow chorus, to full on drunken UFO.

The one that I hate:
BOSS BF-3

Bought it when it came out thinking it was the next great thing, an evolution of my BF-2... It's not. Totally different animal. I couldn't get a single sound that I liked out of it.

Do yourself a favor, cruise pawnshops until you find an old BF-2. They're well worth the $20 or so you could convince the pawnbroker to take. :)

You know i tried out the small clone in a pawn shop and i didn't like it too much. It was a bit TOO subtle for me. I mean it could have been the crappy borrowed bass they gave me, the little guitar amp i had to run it through, but just got a turn off. And yea it's the BF-2 i'm looking to get eventually. I heard the BF-3 was way different
 
I'm still not actually sure what exactly a flanger pedal does, but i have heard chorus and flanger pedals make sounds fairly similar to each other. Can someone clarify the difference between the two? And what are some fairly inexpensive chorus and flanger pedals? I've heard that Boss and Tech 21 are both good.

Get a pedal that can do both, such as a multi-stomp. Then you can decide which sound you like. There's different flavours of Flanging, not just a jet whoosh.

It's called flanging because the original effect was produced by dragging a finger on the f l a n g e of a reel-to-reel tape machine. A link in the "ramble" below expounds on the origins in further detail.

NOT cheap, but awesome is the [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] [sic], which does chorus, flanging and vibrato.

NOT cheap, but equally awesome though different is the [Invalid or Expired Link Removed], providing flange, chorus, filter, tap delay, pitch ramp delay.

MY CHEAP SUGGESTION

FLANGE & CHORUS SUGGESTIONS

ANOTHER FLANGER FINDER THREAD

Here's some miscellaneous rambling info I've collected on flangers (cut-n-pasted, needs updating):

FERAL FELINE said:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar06/articles/qa0306_1.htm Phaser & Flanger EXPLAINED
GOOD ARTICLE, WORTH RE-READING

Some controls on flangers you might find...

LEVEL - (controls speed/rate of the LFO wave)
DEPTH - (ctrls depth/amplitude of LFO wave [WIDTH MXR, same as "depth"])
REGEN - (feedback/resonance)
RATE - (ctrls intensity of overall effect slow/fast cycles [Delay Time = Rate] )
MANUAL - (MXR, ctrls degree of phase shifting, possibly same as depth, but SEE Width)
TONE - PITCH
BLEND/MIX - blends clean signal with
PRESET FAVORITE (Strymon) - cool feature!
WOW/FLUTTER - originally, flangers were based on tape loops

** EXP PEDAL, can be used on some pedals to control different parameters
HARMONICS - (ADA, in addition to manual, range, speed and enhance)
SWITCH FOR LFO - selector triangle or sine wave or??

FLANGERS WITH A LITTLE EXTRA:
-Ibanez AIrplane Flanger: Manual, Speed, Range, Enhance; takeoff switch and speed
-Carl Martin's dual speed mode is foot switchable, LED flashes rate, knobs for speed depth pre-delay & feedback
-Strymon has switch 3LFO types (log, lin, through zero), switch 3 feedback types (positive, negative, pos/neg); electromechanical relay true bypass, stereo out, expression pedal with selectable knob-parameter control, favourite footswitch for setting your favourite setting -- this "fave" setting could be great, dial in a flange, then setup Lesley w/ exp pedal ctrling speed = two effects available at the drop of a stomp), standard 9v centre neg power supply 200mA, 250mA recommended, analogue in/out to dBucket algorithm A/D & D/A converters w/ 110db signal to noise, high perf DSP stuffed into compact form factor.
Maxon has proprietary MC4107D bucket brigade and JrC4558 IC chips: 5 KNOBS Range, Speed, Jet, Width, Sensitivity. Internal voltage stabilizer (mine to have it switchable to unstable)An updated version of the coveted 1970s Jetlyzer, the Maxon Vintage Jet Riser Flanger Pedal combines a VCA, VCF, and analog flanger circuit to recreate the thunderous jet-plane swoosh of that holy-grail pedal plus a variety of unique effects including filtered chorus and tremolo, jet-slap bass, and more. Featuring true bypass switching, a high-performance noise reduction system, and internal voltage stabilizer, the Maxon VJR9 Pedal combines vintage tone with modern performance.


The following adapted from HotHand's flanger (minus the ring controller):
Users can select 3 modulation sources: low frequency oscillator (LFO), sequencer, or envelope follower. Control the modulation in real time with subtle motions of your expression pedal or just play normally and let the LFO, sequencer, or envelope follower drive the sound.

http://www.experimentalistsanonymous.com/diy/Schematics/Flangers/
http://www.pedalheaven.com/categories.php?c=6 COOL OLD FLANGERS
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http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=691452
MY CHEAP SUGGESTION
FLANGE & CHORUS SUGGESTIONS Envelope Flangers


Today, there are many variations on the basic effects. We have stereo effects where the left and right channels' modulation is inverted giving rise to a subtle panning effect. We also have effects where multiple delay lines and/or all-pass filters are used in parallel (and modulated at different phase angles of the modulating LFO waveform) to create rich, evolving textures, and we also have 'crossover' effects where the feeback from one channel is fed to the other (and combinations of the above) to create all manner of swirling textures.

WIKI
LIST OF SONGS W/ FLANGING from '40s http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recordings_with_a_prominent_flanging_effect
"Barber-pole" flanging
Also known as "infinite flanging", this sonic illusion is similar to the Shepard tone effect. The sweep of the flanged sound seems to move in only one direction ("up" or "down") infinitely, instead of sweeping back-and-forth. While Shepard tones are created by generating a cascade of tones, fading in and out while sweeping the pitch either up or down, barber-pole flanging uses a cascade of multiple delay lines, fading each one in to the mix and fading it out as it sweeps to the delay time limit. The effect is available on various hardware and software effect systems. http://www.olilarkin.co.uk/index.php?p=eseries

http://www.geofex.com/article_folders/phasers/phase.html
ANOTHER ARTICLE EXPLAINING FLANGING/PHASING

BAD EHX Hoax
ANOTHER FLANGER FINDER THREAD


http://www.geofex.com/
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A/DA
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ADA Final Phase
A/DA's Legendary Flanger
ANDERTON Flanger

Boss BF-2, BF-2B (bass), BF-3 (guitar+bass inputs)


BYOC Stereo Analog Flanger
http://www.buildyourownclone.com/flanger.html
Rate Depth Regeneration Manual -- differential toggle
"Differential Toggle switch. *When in Normal Mode, it uses only one bucket brigade delay chip similar to the way the MXR, BF-2, and Pearl Flangers worked. *When in Differential Mode, it adds a second bucket brigade delay chip that is in parallel and out of phase with the first BBD chip similar to the way that the A/DA and Electric Mistress flangers worked."

CARL MARTIN

DOD 575
DOD FX75
DOD FX75B

EBS Red Twister

electric mistress has a "hold" feature which stops the oscillation for a frozen flange setting
EHX Electric Mistress
EHX Electric Mistress 2
EHX Electric Mistress 3
EHX Echo Flanger 1
EHX Echo Flanger 2
EHX

EVENTIDE INSTANT FLANGER now in Software plug-in. Based on FL 201:



Exar Bass Flanger

FL301
I'm pretty happy with Tonepad's FL301.* Very nice vintage, vaguely chorusy sounding flanger.* Very lush instead of metallic.* Plus, it uses MN3007s instead of the elusive SAD1024, so it's cheaper to build than some...

Fulltone ChoralFlange & CFV2

HBE Frost Bite Flanger: Level, Threshold, Range, Manual, Speed, enhance knobs & switch for odd/even harmonics

Ibanez AF2 Airplane Flanger Paul Gilbert
Manual Speed Range Enhance Takeoff-Speed/taxi,takeoff button
Vintage Ibanez: Flying Pan and Jetlyzer
Ibanez FL 301, FL305 (70s, 5 knob speed width regen delay time & DELAY LEVEL)
IBanez Swell Flanger SF10
Ibanez FL-301, 301DX, 303, 305, FL-9, FLL

John Hollis UltraFlanger

Jack DeVille Electronics MOD ZERO

Line 6 Liqua-Flange

Morley Sapphire Flanger

Moog Ultra Flux ... TBer upon it's hype up to unveiling: "If it's a chorus/flanger, I'm going to be right upset. I've been lusting after several different chorus/flanger/modulation pedals over the years: Polly (the Stereo Polychorus), the Fulltone Choralflanges (CF-1 and the to-be-released-two-years-ago CFV-2) and the Strymon Ola and Orbit (two pedals, but two awesome pedals). I cannot justify spending copious amounts of money on something I might not like (not anymore), and Moog has a reputation for being great, but prohibitively expensive, especially if you buy the pedal from the Chicago Music Exchange, like I did."

Maxon FL99 Classic, BF-01 Bass, FL-01, FL-301,302,303,305, FL-9

MXR Flanger

MXR Micro Flanger (modern copy of original)
Rate Regen

MXR M-117R Flanger
MXR EVH FlangeriuuLOZA



PAiA Phlanger

Pearl Flanger

Roland Jet Phaser

Rocktron Hypnotic Flange

Strymon Orbit Flanger

Source Audio : Soundblox Tri-Mod Flanger


TC Electronics SCF (stereo chorus flanger)

ToadWorks Barracuda

Thomeeque's EM/1022 flanger

Try Thomeeque's EM/1022 flanger. All the classic EM sounds, plus loads of features that set it apart from others. A truly beautiful, unique sounding unit. Plus you can be only one of 3 people who has built one (you would be the third B-)).*

T-REX Twister, Twister 2

Tycobrahe Pedalflanger Vintage, now repro'd by Chicago Iron

Vox and Guyatone 1902 Flanger


"From the ringing faux sitar sound to the rise and fall of jet plane sweep, flangers usually fire up very specific neurons in our brains, reminding us of certain music genres and eras often to the point of being cliché. Far more interesting to us is the way flanging and “flanger like” effects are used in mixdown or soundtracks to create a sense of focus, tension or space. How does this translate to a guitar effect? This really goes beyond the scope of most simple stompboxes. The Starlight DLX lets you make new sounds that conjure up imagery and emotion.

Let your creativity run wild in an whirlwind of modulated madness.
• Use the trigger mode and ramp waveform to create a perfectly timed continuous rise until that jet plane goes over the horizon.
• Float down the zero gravity corridor of an alien vessel with the random sample hold function.
• Create droning resonance by simply maxing the regen control
• Listen inside a robot’s brain as it contemplates turning on it’s human masters with the random/triangle LFO.
• Does it all sound like too much? Just set the mode to manual for simplicity and explore.
Like many of our recent projects we started with the basics. We worked through several different designs, but always came back to the MN3007 running at 15 volts for maximum sweep and headroom. For functionality we used the Prometheus DLX control matrix giving you virtually infinite possibilities , but in a format where you can easily remember individual settings. We tuned the regen control to oscillate when set at maximum, and added the gate and volume control to keep more extreme sounds manageable.
*** 
Subdecay Starlight DLX Flanger Features:
• Powered by a regulated 9VDC adaptor with a negative center 2.1mm barrel style plug.
• Cannot be powered by a battery.
• Power supply is not included.
• If using a “daisy chain” power supply all other pedals MUST be negative ground.
• Current draw is less than 150mA.
• Length 5.6″ X Width 4.6″ X Height 1.5”
• Input impedance: 1M
• Output impedance: Less than 1K."
 
I was looking for a good chorus pedal about 6 months ago and ran up against most of the names in this thread. In discussing this with multiple pro bassist, one name was always mentioned that has not - me thinks - been mentioned here...EBS UniChorus which has Chorus, PM, and Flange, all analog. However, $200 street, but it is VERY good, quiet, and is only made for bass... that is why I like EBS stuff in general. They make gear only for bass which is great for us but limits their ability to market to a larger crowd. IMHO, USDA, CIA and the like.
 
I could never grok a chorus. Flangers I like.

The Boss purple one is available in a couple of version. The HBE Frost bite is a couple bucks more but trust me you want it. Steel drums, sound effects how did you do that things.

Or the ADA that pops up on the bay for reasonable bucks every now and then.

You didn't mention the phasor. That fit's in this crowd.