1. Please take 30 seconds to register your free account to remove most ads, post topics, make friends, earn reward points at our store, and more!  
     
    TalkBass.com has been uniting the low end since 1998.  Join us! :)

Chuck Israels signature mic

Discussion in 'Amps, Mics & Pickups [DB]' started by bassmanbrent, Jun 5, 2017.


  1. Hey all,
    Has anybody seen this? There isn't much info at all at present, but this kinda stuff always gets my attention...

    http://xlsonaudio.com
     
  2. B String

    B String Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2002
    Los Angeles
    Not much info is an understatement. Things like price and where you can get it in the US, or a picture of it mounted would be nice. Israel's has always had a great sound, (bass and hands) so he's probably had some good input.
     
  3. rickwolff

    rickwolff CGJ (Certified Gear Junkie) Supporting Member

    YES BUT, if you go to the website it will email an audio clip of Chuck recording a new album, apparently with no acoustical separation between intstruments, and

    THE BASS SOUNDS INCREDIBLE. Here is the file
     
  4. Ric Vice

    Ric Vice Supporting Member

    Jul 2, 2005
    Olivette, Missouri
    I watched Chuck Israels using the microphone at the Acoustic Image booth during the ISB convention earler this month. Hard to tell, since I didn't hear him at his concert. In close proximty to the amp, it did ocassionally feed back. Just my take.

    Ric
     
  5. rickwolff

    rickwolff CGJ (Certified Gear Junkie) Supporting Member

    Since he was at the Acoustic Image booth I would guess he was using one of their down-firing speaker cabs. In my experience they are the most feedback prone cab of any I have played. The design which is intended to 'spread the sound out omnidirectionally' does just that and way too much of it finds its way back to the microphone. As you know, many bassists have employed various feedback-killing techniques such as putting a speaker up on a pole, or standing beside the speaker cab rather than in front of it. The AI design makes those 'solutions' unworkable. By accomplishing their desired goals with the down-firing speaker AI has made it difficult, if not impossible, to utilize a mic.

    As you like to say: 'just my take'. But I imagine that also explains why you only use your DPA for FOH (if I recall correctly).
     
  6. rickwolff

    rickwolff CGJ (Certified Gear Junkie) Supporting Member

    PS to Ric Vice:

    One mic I have NOT tried with an AI downfiring speaker is my Ischell 'Contact mic'. I wouldn't be surprised it that works fine with the AI gear since it is acoustically 'sealed' to the table of the bass. I have learned through experience that if the putty 'donut' loses its seal you can indeed get some very nasty feedback, but as soon as the putty seal is restored the feedback disappears.

    Be all that as it may, I still think Chucks mic on that recording clip sounds quite fabulous.
     
    Ric Vice likes this.
  7. Ric Vice

    Ric Vice Supporting Member

    Jul 2, 2005
    Olivette, Missouri
    All good points Rick. Rick Jones of AI provides all the amplifiers for the ISB convention at his own expense. While AI cabinets aren't something I use, I do like their amps, even though I use my Walter Woods that I've owned for a long time. The DPA has been retired, for a long time, I use an Ehrlund EAP directly into the amp and a used MAS 4x5. I couldn't be happier. Chuck does sound fabulous on that clip. He's a remarkable player.

    Ric
     
  8. JAKBOUND

    JAKBOUND

    Dec 14, 2007
    Houston
    Chuck didn't use any amplification that I could see at his ISB performance. He was awesome aided only by Seth kimmel's latest Cedar / walnut bass. Kudos to The piano and guitar that allowed that possibility. I did see him with the microphone at the exhibit it appeared to be mounted on an h clamp. I didn't get to hear it as I was dashing off somewhere else.
     
  9. Ric Vice

    Ric Vice Supporting Member

    Jul 2, 2005
    Olivette, Missouri
    There were a lot of non amplified performances in the Nibenhauer recital hall. That sounded beautiful because the space was ideal for bass. Chuck was using the H Clamp to mount the Xlson mic on the bass.

    Ric
     
  10. peteswanson91

    peteswanson91 Supporting Member

    Sep 22, 2004
    Brooklyn, NY
    From their sales team:
    • Price point: around €1200 + VAT/Duties (when applicable)
    • 30 days return policy - no questions asked
    • 5 year warranty
    • First batch of 50 mics arrive in August.
    • Manufacturer: Pearl Microphone Lab, Sweden
    • Near-filed condenser microphone, 48 v phantom power
     
  11. Ric Vice

    Ric Vice Supporting Member

    Jul 2, 2005
    Olivette, Missouri
    Thanks Pete,

    So it's @$1,330.00 plus VAT. If memory serves me Pearl Microphones
    built the first run of the Ehrlund EAP. At that price point we're in Schoeps MK 41 CMC 6 territory, for what it's worth.

    Ric
     
  12. peteswanson91

    peteswanson91 Supporting Member

    Sep 22, 2004
    Brooklyn, NY
    I hear that!
     
  13. Kristian

    Kristian

    Dec 5, 2008
    Turkey
    It's a friend of mine that designed that mic. Some bassplayers in Sweden has tried the prototype and seems very enthusiastic about it. I havn't tried it myself (since I don't live in Sweden any more) but I'm following the news on our Swedish doublebass Facebook page. Let's see how it goes!
     
    Hoyt likes this.
  14. Ric Vice

    Ric Vice Supporting Member

    Jul 2, 2005
    Olivette, Missouri
    Kristian,
    That's wonderful, hopefully, someone on Talkbass will aquire one. Since I've not really heard the mic being used for a concert, it's difficult evaluate it's performance.

    Ric
     
    Kristian likes this.
  15. Kristian

    Kristian

    Dec 5, 2008
    Turkey
    I can ask my Swedish friends to write a review here. :)
     
    Ric Vice likes this.
  16. BasistHenrik

    BasistHenrik

    Dec 26, 2016
    Hello!

    I'm a Swedish bass player residing in Gothenburg. I got a tip from fellow bass player Kristian that you were interested in the Xlson CI mic that i've been trying out together with the designer Peter Axelsson.

    First of all, Peter is an excellent bass player with decades of experience on the field and he's also a very experienced recording/sound technician with a serious passion for the acoustic bass and for truthfully capturing the acoustic sound.

    My previous experience are mainly DPA (both the bass, piano, violin options), Remic Red, Troll Ribbon and various mic options in front of the bass.

    When I tried out the Xlson mic I played a medium sized jazz club (240 p limit) that I'm used to play. It was mainly an acoustic ensemble (Vocals, sax, 2 acoustic guitars, piano). I used it straight into an EA Doubler on one channel, and a Lifeline on the other channel. I played a Wizzy 10" which was mic:ed to FOH. No bass in monitor on stage. We put the mic between the legs of the bridge wrapped in some foam.

    The construction of the mic is sturdy, but lightweight. Short cigar shaped with a black metal casing. A long and robust cable is permanently attached (like on Remic). It gives impression to be very robust and "road ready". Comparing to DPA it's probably a lot easier to gig and travel with (I've repaired mine 4 times).

    When I used the mic I had no problem with feedback at all. I stood in front of my amp. The first part of the gig was no drums, but I also played a couple of numbers with a drummer and my experience was that it handled that environment very good as well.

    The thing that caught my attention the most was that we used the Xlson mic as the main mic and just blended a hint of the Lifeline, and that resulted in a very full range and acoustic sound. I also played some bow with a good result sound wise (even though my bowing sucks!).

    In my experience the Xlson mic delivered well beyond my expectations and outdid both DPA and Remic in reproducing the acoustic sound of my bass when amplified.

    At the time a had Peter helping me fixing the sound and basically just had to play, but as far as I can recall the setting on the EA was pretty straight with a little cut on treble and mid.

    I'll be using it on a few upcoming gigs in the weeks to come on my own to get more familiarized with its possibilities, but I'll be in line to get one when it fully enters the market this fall.

    /Henrik
     
    robinunit and Ric Vice like this.
  17. Ric Vice

    Ric Vice Supporting Member

    Jul 2, 2005
    Olivette, Missouri
    Henrick,
    Thank you for this very thorrough review. This mic sounds very promising, based on Chuck Israels recorded samples. Hopefully, someone in the United States will decide to distribute the Xlson.

    Ric
     
    robinunit likes this.
  18. BasistHenrik

    BasistHenrik

    Dec 26, 2016
    Thank you Ric! My pleasure. If there's something i forgot to write about or any other questions, just ask and i'll try to answer to the best of my ability.
     
  19. peteswanson91

    peteswanson91 Supporting Member

    Sep 22, 2004
    Brooklyn, NY
    Would be interested in seeing how it compares to a Schoeps MK41 ....
     
  20. Ric Vice

    Ric Vice Supporting Member

    Jul 2, 2005
    Olivette, Missouri
    Peter,
    Thanks so much for coming to us with your dedication to developing a new Double Bass microphone. I actually got a chance to see it at this years International Society of Bassist convention this year, as Chuck Israels had the first one with him.

    You chose wisely. Chuck is renowned bassist, with very discriminating ears. The recorded example of his performance using the Xlson is very impressive. Here's wishing you the best in your endeavor.

    Ric