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Chuck Israels signature mic

Discussion in 'Amps, Mics & Pickups [DB]' started by bassmanbrent, Jun 5, 2017.


  1. rickwolff

    rickwolff SOLD For Sale: Headway EDB-2 HE $260 Supporting Member

    REMINDER ABOUT THE 'TRAVELING DEMO' OF THE CHUCK ISRAELS MIC

    If you didn't happen to see the other thread regarding our upcoming traveling demo you can find it here: Announcing: The Chuck Israels Signature Mic 'Traveling Demo'

    We have enough volunteer testers to get us started (and probably to last a couple months) but hopefully I will be getting the mic sometime in August and you can expect to start seeing and hearing reviews shortly after that.

    Stay tuned.
     
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  2. rickwolff

    rickwolff SOLD For Sale: Headway EDB-2 HE $260 Supporting Member

    UPDATE: SHOULD BE GETTING A CHUCK ISRAELS MIC FAIRLY SOON.

    I just heard from the folks who are making this mic. They identified an improvement that could be made and decided to delay production until they could incorporate that which they have now done.

    I'm told they should begin manufacturing within a couple weeks and YES, they are very interested in providing a mic for a TalkBass 'Traveling Demo'.

    I will post an update as soon as I hear when I will be receiving one.
     
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  3. flatback

    flatback

    May 6, 2004
    I really like that it is a side address mic. OR it looks like a side address mic. Way easier to keep in position on a bass....Looks like it works well with the H clamp (their FB page) and I imagine it would be really easy to do the rubber band thing between the bridge feet like a Troll....
     
  4. rickwolff

    rickwolff SOLD For Sale: Headway EDB-2 HE $260 Supporting Member

    Yes, it is a 'side address' mic. Here is what I just received from Peter, the designer of the mic:

    "The microphone is a "nearfield figure 8" meaning that the least feedback is from the sides when the microphone is pointing at the bass top.

    I have different results when I position the microphone: Under the bridge with foam is my favorite if I use it through my amlplifier, and between the bridge and the f-hole, if the mike is going through the PA system only. And between the bridge and the f-hole, or in front of the f-hole if it is for recording.
     
  5. Ric Vice

    Ric Vice Supporting Member

    Jul 2, 2005
    Olivette, Missouri
    The microphone I saw Chuck using at the ISB convention was a prototype. So testing and evaluation was still going on. It’s wise for them to take time to iron out the bumps. Thanks for taking the time.

    Ric
     
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2018
  6. Ric Vice

    Ric Vice Supporting Member

    Jul 2, 2005
    Olivette, Missouri
    Just a side note here, Pearl Microphones manufactured the first run of the Ehrlund EAP. I have one of those on my bass. Since Xlson is a designer, once the design specs are
    set, Pearl can start manufacturing them.

    Ric
     
  7. When is the microphone officially available ? Look forward to seeing everyone's comments. Any further news?
     
  8. rickwolff

    rickwolff SOLD For Sale: Headway EDB-2 HE $260 Supporting Member

    I have one I am testing now. I believe Chuck Israels will be receiving the first full production model within the week.
     
    Last edited: Apr 1, 2018
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  9. Ric Vice

    Ric Vice Supporting Member

    Jul 2, 2005
    Olivette, Missouri
    You might wan’t to wait a bit until the folks participating in the traveling demo weigh in. I’ve actually seen the Xlson mic, on Chuck Israel’s Bass at the ISB convention in Ithica, New York. He and Rick Jones were working with it.
     
  10. rickwolff

    rickwolff SOLD For Sale: Headway EDB-2 HE $260 Supporting Member

    My First Sound Samples

    I've had the 'Chuck' for a bit now and am becoming more fond of it as time goes on. Initially, I had thought I would blend it with a piezo but I have quit doing that and am just using the mic by itself. Some of the things I have found so far:

    -It has a very natural sound - even with little or no EQ

    -I have found that the sound (recorded) from my Genzler Amp is VERY similar whether coming from the speakers or the DI which makes it really convenient for recording. So far I have been using the Pre-EQ DI, but now that I am using the mic alone I can start using the Post-EQ DI (which on my amp combines channels 1 and 2, but since I am only using channel 1 the DI will still be 'mic only').

    -Somehow, when I play through this mic, IT JUST 'FEELS RIGHT'. That may be a little hard to explain, but I've seen that phenomenon mentioned here on TB before. It really 'feels' like I am just playing sans-amp, just with more volume. (I think there's an acronym for that, isn't there?).

    -The bleed from other instruments is minimal. Yes, I can hear the piano and the vocal in my bass track, it's not like I'm in an isolation booth, but I'm probably getting 80-90% bass. And after all, a big part of the design mandate was to make a mic that could be used either live or for recording 'without using much, if any sound baffling around the instruments'. If you have had the experience of being in a studio where you were separated from the other instruments (not even being able to see them, in some cases) you'll probably agree with me that there is a musical synergy that develops when all the musicians are together. It's kind of the difference between having a conversation face-to-face vs over the phone line (or, worse yet, by PM). The only other way I know of to get complete isolation when near other instruments is to use a piezo - I'll gladly give up total isolation in order to get the microphone sound.

    -Feedback. Believe it or not, I really haven't had any. Granted, I'm not playing Rockabilly or something loud, but I have had the volume pretty well up without problems. Perhaps part of this is due to the fact that I have my amp on a speaker stand. I do that for two reasons: 1. I like to get more high frequencies to my ear, and 2. I like being able to reach back and easily tweak my settings.

    -The mic mounts very easily using the H-clamp. This also allows you to try different placements for the mic, although I have just put mine just below the G bridge foot, about a finger thickness above the table and between the bridge and the F hole. It gets a sound there (on both my basses) that I like so I haven't bothered trying other spots. I'm still waiting to receive the mount that attaches to the tailpiece. I'll comment on that after I get a chance to try it.

    -The mic sounds great both Pizz and Arco. I have to either start practicing a lot or maybe confine my arco to long notes at the end of tunes. BUT, IF I do get my arco chops improved I expect to be very happy with the sound I can get through this mic.

    I am including a couple clips here. The second one I did at home and the first was on a gig last night with piano, vocal, and bass. I haven't gotten any recordings where I'm really pleased or excited about the performance yet, but that's a whole different topic. I have found that in recording, sometimes the magic happens and sometimes it doesn't. BTW, the second recording was from the pre-EQ DI on my amp, so this is exactly the sound the mic is sending out. You aren't hearing any straight acoustic sound from the bass at all, this in 'nothin but mic'.
     

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    Last edited: Apr 5, 2018
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  11. Ric Vice

    Ric Vice Supporting Member

    Jul 2, 2005
    Olivette, Missouri
    What I'm enjoying about this mic so far is that it gets the attack right when you lean into the note. It captures that little "pop" that happens acoustically. The "zizzzle" is also there when the excursion of a string just barely
    glances of the fingerboard. The low end is full but not extended. These are subtile things but it makes the your bass sound like a bass. One question, is the front of Xlson's diaphragm facing into the bass or side address.
    Is the tailpiece mount Xison's?

    Ric
     
  12. rickwolff

    rickwolff SOLD For Sale: Headway EDB-2 HE $260 Supporting Member

    Hi Ric,

    Thanks for the nice explanation for why this mic just 'feels right' - like playing acoustically. I suppose it's another way to try and describe in words what is a non-verbal sensation, but I feel like my playing has sort of a 'bounce' to it with this mic. I imagine that is the nature of the attack that you describe.

    The mic is a side-address mic, so it lays basically flat against the bass. The tailpiece mount is the BassOnStage mount which is either the same or very similar to the one Gillihur sells. I had been interested by this when I first saw it on Marks site. BassOnStage Microphone Gooseneck Mount for Upright Bass at Gollihur Music - Double Bass, Upright Bass, String Bass Specialists
     
  13. Ric Vice

    Ric Vice Supporting Member

    Jul 2, 2005
    Olivette, Missouri
    I have one of the Bass On Stage tailpiece mounts. Unfortunately, it isn’t well suited, to the Mike Mecanic compensated tailpiece on my bass. I was hoping that Xlson had come up with there own. I have an H Clamp as well, we’ll see which works best. A couple of years ago,
    someone on talkbass came up a really simple mic holder for DB. It was a plate
    that fit between the afterlenghts.

    Ric
     
  14. shwashwa

    shwashwa

    Aug 30, 2003
    NJ
    Need to hear it with a drummer
     
  15. rickwolff

    rickwolff SOLD For Sale: Headway EDB-2 HE $260 Supporting Member

    My next gig with a drummer isn't until 4/27. I'll record that if I haven't sent the mic on by that time.
     
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  16. rickwolff

    rickwolff SOLD For Sale: Headway EDB-2 HE $260 Supporting Member

    Update: I am playing a jazz jam on Tuesday. Sitting between loud drums and piano and behind horns. I will record w one channel from the DI to demo how much (I should say 'how little) bleed there is. Stay tuned.
     
    Last edited: Apr 6, 2018
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  17. Ric Vice

    Ric Vice Supporting Member

    Jul 2, 2005
    Olivette, Missouri
    No kidding, after you play 12 choruses of Cherokee, with different drummers we should a have a very good idea of what the Xlson can do. Jam sessions are what you might call the “Acid Test”. :laugh: :roflmao: :thumbsup:

    Ric
     
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  18. lrhbass

    lrhbass Supporting Member

    Apr 20, 2009
    Dallas,Tx.
    Agreed, how well it can hang with a R. section with other instruments and work with an amp or pre-amp situation, while retaining its sonic integrity alone or mixed, with a Piezo is the test. Have used all the contenders, AMT,DPA,Ehrlund, Ishell,Troll and now enjoying the Remic, looking forward to your report and a test run with it myself...
     
  19. rickwolff

    rickwolff SOLD For Sale: Headway EDB-2 HE $260 Supporting Member

    Based on my excellent results using the 'Chuck' by itself on my last gig I will probably continue to do that rather than mixing with my piezo (KNA). However, I have that on the bass as a backup in case I can't get enough volume with the Chuck alone. I am going to take a new approach at the jam session and use my amp (the Genzler AA Golihur Series) as primarily stage volume and send a DI to the PA for front of house. I'll let you know how it goes - and hopefully include a video or audio.
     
  20. Ric Vice

    Ric Vice Supporting Member

    Jul 2, 2005
    Olivette, Missouri
    Although, I can appreciate how others would want to mix a piezo with the Xlson, I'm really more interested in how well it works by it's self.
    I can certianly do a mix, because I have the Grace Felix, but what I'm more excited about is the promise of a microphone that can be used
    like most of us use a piezo. That would be truly amazing. Based on what I've heard so far this microphone is great sounding and has the
    potential to replace piezos.

    Ric
     
    Last edited: Apr 6, 2018
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