If there wasn't a noticable difference between my svt and my micro i wouldnt have kept my svt also being it is a pain to move. I do love my micro but the differences in sound are noticable.
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Class D and Neo cabs are the future!
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I suppose the pros who can afford roadies will still buy the heavy stuff and the young kids who don't care about weight and just want what their heroes use will to.
That's because they don't sound good, obviously you know that. I'm 38, I'm also 6'2" and about 240lbs. To me, I already have lightweight amps, they're 2U SS jobs that come in at 30-40-50lbs when mounted in a wooden headcase. I see people with briefcases and even kids with backpacks that weigh more than that and aren't nearly as easy to carry.
Does the new light craze make sense to some people, sure. If I lived in NYC and couldn't afford a car or if I was 60 and my back hurt I'd get one. I've played your markbasses and your GK mini heads and all that but it seems to me that they're just now getting to the point where they can sound almost as good as real amps in some cases so the entire outlay of cash still means whining over a few pounds. We play the bass man, not the flute. I have a Peavey Classic400 that's been sitting here tubeless for some time just waiting for one of my other bass amps to give up the ghost. That thing tips the scales at about 97lbs. and when the time comes, I'll be putting 4 pounds of tubes in that thing instead of blowing 600 on a 4 pound pocket-rocket and it's not a financial decision either, I've played them too.
Check back with me when I'm 60, opinions may have changed by then.
I think both will coexist, but for me, the lighter the better. If you want the sound of tubes, but not the weight, you can always go with a tube preamp or a modeling pedal (SansAmp, etc...) that will get you pretty close.
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What it all comes down to is, as always, the money. When manufacturers run out of sufficient customers willing to pay the ever increasing price for tubes, heavy iron and strontium they will go the way of the Hummer and the McMansion. And Basson.
True but until something happens in the guitar world to put tubes out of the picture on a mass scale, there will be tubes. I haven't seen anything that tells me that's going to happen anytime soon but someday it may.
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It already happened, 20 plus years ago. 6L6GC tubes used to run about five bucks, 12AX7s two bucks. What do you think will be the result when tube costs double again in less than ten years, which is very likely?
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I agree..my shuttle 9 is my main amp.. and i fly with it too... but some gigs i use my GBE1200 just because I like the way it feels.
Actually, there's TON's of gear for the home audio market that runs on tubes. It's more expensive of course, but is far dead.
I've heard individual thought and opinion is the way of the future.... We all use the equipment that we prefer.
For the record, Class D, Neos and compact setups are my present and my future.
For the record, Class D, Neos and compact setups are my present and my future.
To be more precise, there's a reason cokes used to cost a nickel and you could get a gallon of gas or a hamburger for 25 cents. The coke is still a coke, the gallon of gas is still a gallon of gas and the hamburger is still a hamburger. The difference is the dollar, it doesn't buy what it used to. Look at gold and silver prices. Whether you bought a house decades ago for 30,000 and the same house today cost you 300,000, both can be had for about the same amount of gold or silver. The dollar is the wild card here, not the product.
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Tube prices have little to nothing to do with inflation. Their production in the West virtually ceased with the combination of reduced demand and increased costs of production related to the very toxic by-products they create. They remained in production in the former Soviet bloc because Soviet military gear used them, and there was no EPA in those countries. Those two factors are rapidly going away, and the musical instrument industry alone won't be sufficient to sustain their economical production indefinitely. And if that alone doesn't kill the tube, shipping costs of the necessarily heavy amps that use them will. It's not a matter of if, only when.
yeah, yeah...i have been hearing the same thing for 30 years. hasn't happened yet. in bass world, all tube amps have made a tremendous comeback in the last 10 years, and in guitar world, ss amps are virtually non-existent on pro stages except for newbs and trent reznor.
however, modelling does seem to be cutting a swath through the no amps on stage crowd, i'll give you that. and modeling's gotten a lot better over the past 3-4 years. but i think tube amps are safe until i'm gone at least, which is all i care about
however, modelling does seem to be cutting a swath through the no amps on stage crowd, i'll give you that. and modeling's gotten a lot better over the past 3-4 years. but i think tube amps are safe until i'm gone at least, which is all i care about
Again, all true but shipping is a cost of producing somewhere else. We produce somewhere else because it's cheaper, because they don't have any standards and we don't care.
It's absolutely true that some countries still make tubes and some don't and a lot of the reasons why but regardless, it all comes back to money. That's what this all runs on and look at how expensive everything in general has become compared to "the good ole days".
This began in 1913 with the start of the federal reserve system and everything has gotten more expensive ever since. If you want to be technical you can trace it back the the reconstruction. It's the condition of our money and what it can or can't do anymore, it's not based on anything, if whoever decides to stop giving us loans one day we're knocked back to the stone age. It's no coincedence that almost every product in the country is somehow linked to China as they are the largest holder of our debt. Second place goes to the federal reserve bank.
Class D is the wave of the future for now because that's what we can do for even cheaper because our dollar doesn't count for much anymore so maybe you are right and tubes will die eventually. They probably will, when?, who knows, hopefully it's a long way off. Trying to get back on topic here after my "rant".
It's absolutely true that some countries still make tubes and some don't and a lot of the reasons why but regardless, it all comes back to money. That's what this all runs on and look at how expensive everything in general has become compared to "the good ole days".
This began in 1913 with the start of the federal reserve system and everything has gotten more expensive ever since. If you want to be technical you can trace it back the the reconstruction. It's the condition of our money and what it can or can't do anymore, it's not based on anything, if whoever decides to stop giving us loans one day we're knocked back to the stone age. It's no coincedence that almost every product in the country is somehow linked to China as they are the largest holder of our debt. Second place goes to the federal reserve bank.
Class D is the wave of the future for now because that's what we can do for even cheaper because our dollar doesn't count for much anymore so maybe you are right and tubes will die eventually. They probably will, when?, who knows, hopefully it's a long way off. Trying to get back on topic here after my "rant".
wood. wood is still the best compromise between ridigity and price. but it's not light.
True, but if you do the math, an Eminence S2012 is 4.1 lbs. / 16.4 lbs total for a 4x12. A Deltalite II 10" is only 4.6 lbs. / 36.8 lbs total for an 8x10. 1/2 inch plywood and more strategic bracing isn't brain science/rocket surgery.
