class d digital amplifiers

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Nerk, Apr 9, 2012.

  1. Nerk

    Nerk Guest

    Aug 26, 2010
    hey... looking for some advice... right now I have a bbe pre amp and a yorkville ap 4040 for my power amp... I'm simply using one channel and pushing an ampeg neo 4x10 cab... looking to lighten up the load and trim my rack down weight wise... but I need something to push 850watts at 8ohms... trying to find something that simply takes up 1u and half the weight...

    any ideas... I found a kam digital amp for the UK... but thats not a standard 110v power outlet we have here... so that's no help...

    anyhow... that's all for now... let me know if you have any questions or comments on my rig

    thanks
     
  2. Dave W

    Dave W

    Mar 1, 2007
    Westchester, NY
    Here we go
     
  3. BurningSkies

    BurningSkies CRAZY BALDHEAD

    Feb 20, 2005
    Syracuse NY
    Endorsing artist: Dingwall Guitars
    Class D amplifiers are not digital.
     
  4. bongomania

    bongomania Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 17, 2005
    PDX, OR
    owner, OVNIFX and OVNILabs
    PSA for everyone: when seeing the terms "class D" or "digital amp" used by anyone who isn't an amp designer, just mentally substitute the words "ultra light" in their place. Everyone will end up happier.
     
  5. Nerk

    Nerk Guest

    Aug 26, 2010
    haha, thanks for the clarification...

    but yeah, looking to shave some weight from my rack :)

    I found this online...

    KAM.CO.UK - THE OFFICIAL KAM WEBSITE - KXD7200

    but thats UK stuff... need something that will just use 110v... didn't see anything from Crown or Yorkville that fits my needs...

    The last band we gig'ed with had an ampeg head and it was tiny, I was wondering were all that power came from and of course it was a class D amp, I recently upgrade my car amplifier to class D, so I got curious to find something that can fit in a 1U slot in my rack

    Does it even exist? can it exist...
     
  6. BurningSkies

    BurningSkies CRAZY BALDHEAD

    Feb 20, 2005
    Syracuse NY
    Endorsing artist: Dingwall Guitars
    That would stop me from being the 2nd or 3rd poster in EVERY thread where someone has 'Class D Digital' in the title. ;)

    But fer real, letting it go only propagates the myth.
     
  7. Nerk

    Nerk Guest

    Aug 26, 2010
    awesome... just checked out the powersoft stuff... thats what I'm looking for!

    Any other "competitors" out there? surely they're not on their own in this market...
     
  8. Nerk

    Nerk Guest

    Aug 26, 2010
    oh and hey... this whole "class d digital" thing worked... I got your attention didn't I? j/k

    I wont make the same mistake again, I promise...
     
  9. Dave W

    Dave W

    Mar 1, 2007
    Westchester, NY
    I don't think there are that many 1U power amps, so that would shorten your list considerably. The only one I can think of is a Stewart World 1.2. There are ton of options for 2U though, and they're cheaper/lighter/more powerful.

    Why do you need it to push 850w @ 8 ohms?
     
  10. Passinwind

    Passinwind I know nothing. Commercial User

    Dec 3, 2003
    Columbia River Gorge, WA.
    Owner/Designer &Toaster Tech Passinwind Electronics
    Make sure you look at the rack depth and the price on those amps before you get too excited. Then Google "1 RU power amps" to see some other alternatives. ;)
     
  11. Nerk

    Nerk Guest

    Aug 26, 2010
    oh 850@8ohms is just what the cab is rated at... I was always told that the pa > cab wattage wise
     
  12. Dave W

    Dave W

    Mar 1, 2007
    Westchester, NY
    Huh?

    What does the PA have to do with this?
     
  13. Nerk

    Nerk Guest

    Aug 26, 2010
    pa = power amplifier...
     
  14. bongomania

    bongomania Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 17, 2005
    PDX, OR
    owner, OVNIFX and OVNILabs
    Yep, some guitarist was feeding you an old wives' tale. The wattage rating on a cab is a rough estimation of how much wattage the speakers can take before burning up. In many cases the speakers will start to "fart out" at a much lower amount of power, some say as low as half the rating of the cab. So in some cases for example an "850 w" cab might only be useful up to 425 W. So the idea that the amp should put out MORE wattage than the cab is rated for is sheer baloney, a recipe for blown speakers. I should say though that an experienced player can get away with using a more powerful amp--they just have to really know what they're doing... or be very very lucky.
     
  15. Nerk

    Nerk Guest

    Aug 26, 2010
    I thought the difference for that was peak/max vs rms
     
  16. bongomania

    bongomania Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 17, 2005
    PDX, OR
    owner, OVNIFX and OVNILabs
    Nah, "peak" is a totally BS number that should be ignored. It only exists so cab brands can inflate the specs, make people think they're getting something more than they are. RMS implies peaks, it is sort of an average value--meaning if your signal is up around that point on average, you are definitely sending in much higher peaks, and testing the limits of the cab.
     
  17. Roscoe East

    Roscoe East Guest

    Aug 22, 2011
    If the choice is between putting out significantly more power than the cab is designed for or significantly less power than the cab is designed for, I would always advocate getting significantly more.

    But ideally you want to get rid of that "significant" difference regardless of whether it's + or - ...which is probably why the OP was asking about matching the cabinet's specified rating.
     
  18. wcriley

    wcriley

    Apr 5, 2010
    Western PA
    I'd advocate the opposite.
    Much less chance of damaging the drivers.
     
  19. bongomania

    bongomania Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 17, 2005
    PDX, OR
    owner, OVNIFX and OVNILabs
    You would only do that if you haven't learned that "underpowering" is a myth, an old wives' tale. Search on it, and check out the FAQ, to learn.