Honestly i dont no y he has hype ppl always try and explain it to me but i just never thot he was that good tome it always seems like certain musicians are only big cuz they died with cliff in there and dimebag derrell
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Cliff Burton Hype
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I haven't read the whole thread, sorry if this came up alreadys....
Head on over to the metallica-run site livemetallica.com and download the free live shows from the early years. You'll hear his playing in a live context, where he kicked even more butt.
Personally, Cliff is the only metal bassist I'm into. Every other bass solo (or bass album) I've heard, metal or not, sounds like boring noodling to me. Cliff's solos were musical, not just a technical show off of his abilities.
Just my two cents. I'm probably in the minority, cause I'm not into Wooten or Pastorius or any of those other important bass people.
Head on over to the metallica-run site livemetallica.com and download the free live shows from the early years. You'll hear his playing in a live context, where he kicked even more butt.
Personally, Cliff is the only metal bassist I'm into. Every other bass solo (or bass album) I've heard, metal or not, sounds like boring noodling to me. Cliff's solos were musical, not just a technical show off of his abilities.
Just my two cents. I'm probably in the minority, cause I'm not into Wooten or Pastorius or any of those other important bass people.
The first solo reminds me of this solo
i really don't get why poeple like burton so much either. It always seems to be more about what he was a part of than what he was able to play. I think the fact that he died when metalica were at their peak has a lot to do with his popularity
how old was he when he died? Cmon... He was good, but more importantly he knew what HE wanted out of the bass and it's role. That is why he transcends. I was at a gig and someone yelled bass solo. I said "bass solo take one" into the mic and hit some fuzz and the place went nuts. And these kids were born about when he died. The world thinks with their ears, eyes and hearts. Not their digits and the ability to emulate, copy blah blah. They recognized him as a unique individual.
Metallica was never about tightness, GROOVE or maturity. When they hit, they were a bunch of 21 year old kids playing as fast and as hard as they could. The had a splash of melody here and there between the vodka and Heineken-fueled fury. There was no time for groove and maturity in what they were playing. I agree Trujillo fits in with Lars, Kirk and James now, but Cliff fit in with Metallica.
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Ramstein said:
More like Kurt Cobain. At the very least, Pantera kept metal alive if they didn't outright saved it.
You will understand Cliff Burton, when you realize music is not a compliation of single instruments playing together, but a collaboration of emotions represented by musicians.
Cliff Burton was not the best, nor - forgive me when I say - the cleverest, but he is one of the architects of the music genre you still are listening today, including Linkin Park or Dream Theater. Please do not come with "but linkin park is not a trash metal band". I know that
But linkin park and dream theatre suck a...........
It's ok if you dont "get" Cliff Burton. You can consider yourself like the dudes that say Vic Wooten is all flash no game or the "I dont know whats so great about Jaco" gang.
thanks for that tasteful comparison
I mean what is some of your guys problems with people liking Burton holy crap.BURTON IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE BASSISTS
there, not because skill not because of how much he knows, i think Burton fans are Burton fans because his style and sound. Sure there are better techniques but the sheer energy he puts off and his aggressive playing is what I love, it's just so damn cool, to my ears. You have a problem with that keep it to your self and don't question it. IMO i like Burton better then Wooten, Jaco and more find that rediculous fine it's your opinion but you can screw yourself if you question mine and start making a big deal out of it.
To my ears i love his sound.
Excuse me but Dime was one of the greatest when he was alive, Only big cuz he's dead, learn about what you are talking about!
THe coolest thing about Cliff was his stage presence. IMHO.
Burton was good for that genre, for that band. Like most pro bassists it seems like more a matter of how they fit into that particular bands sound and style. Is Nikki Sixx the greatest bassist ever...probably not on the technical side but for Motley Crue he's a perfect fit. Can you imagine him and John Myung switching places for day, each other playing in the others band? Uh...no. One thing...if Cliff Burton were still alive I doubt Metallica would have put out "St. Anger" with a straight face. "Tick Tock Tick Tock....."
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Really, one of the best things I've read in this thread. Metallica is no longer Metallica. How long had it been since all members contributed to a song? "Enter Sandman?" 17 years? And how long has it been since Metallica put out a complete, solid record? Not since a Mustaine or a Burton was in the band. As one record-review site put it, they're less Metallica and more the Hetfield/Ulrich Experience, and Trujillo fits in more with that. Burton's legacy, really, is "Orion," because it is a great song - no more, no less. He does get a bit too much credit, much like Randy Rhoads, because he died and he died in the manner in which he did. Frankie Bello, for reals, does not get the credit he deserves, but I think that's more a function of the lesser status of Anthrax w.r.t. Metallica, Megadeth, and Slayer. I think it's funny that ESP has a Tom Araya model.
I still get a kick out of Burton's old solos when I YouTube him, however.
+1. You could have stopped there.
Dimebag and Burton gave a lot to the trade. Were they the best EVAR?!??! No, maybe not. But what they did, was done correctly on every song. So maybe yeah, in that genre, they were...
Ox.
Burton was an okay bassist.
He was an adequate bassist.
I get it now.
There was no hidden solo I had not heard or anything.
And most people like him because he was in Metallica or Because he died, or because he looked cool.
I'm glad I understand it now. I don't think anyone has brought it up but Cliff was one of the first to be eliminated from the best bassist game.
He was an adequate bassist.
I get it now.
There was no hidden solo I had not heard or anything.
And most people like him because he was in Metallica or Because he died, or because he looked cool.
I'm glad I understand it now. I don't think anyone has brought it up but Cliff was one of the first to be eliminated from the best bassist game.
It's part because he died, part because he played with omigod Metallica, and part because he was doing stuff on bass that was outside the paradigm at the time. Because of all that, we talk about him in a class of early thrash metal bassists above Bello, Ellefson, and (gawd) Araya. That's just about it.
keep in mind i doubt that a large % of the people on this forum are NOT metal fans I would guess quite the opposite AND besides the occasional person saying his solos were boring nobody has said X bassline was bad (nor will they
) however several people have said X bassline was good/great. although THAT is one poll i would like to see pick your favorite musical genre =x just to see what kind of music the TB population prefersand remember like the guy said earlier cliff wrote SONGS not just basslines including some of the more popular ones Sanitarium, Orion, Master of Puppets, and Call of Kthulu so you HAVE to take this into context
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you got it all figured out
People don't say they like him because he was in Metallica, people say they like him because he contributed a lot of things to metallica and american metal in general.Stop looking at the man as bass player and start looking at him as a complete musician , that he was, who composed, wrote lyrics, introduced something new to all of us. And this comes from a guy who never have been a metallica fan. Was Jimi the best guitarist? He wasn't that fast or didn't have much technique at all. a man gotta ask himself, then why almost every poll shows him the best rock guitar player ever? Burton was one of the BEST in a way that Hendrix was.
Other than that, I am okay with his removal from best bassist game.
I'm not sure what you're getting at with this? "and i grew up in NYC where stuff was easier to find." would seem to buttress my point, not disprove it.
Anyway, someone else is going to have to take up defending 'ol Cliff. Its been fun, but....
Peace.
my point was that it wasn't just a "small circle of friends" it was the whole scene which was/is world wide.word has always traveled fast.people heard,people know.
the true's know.cliff was a legend the first time he stepped on a stage.
Metallica was never about tightness, GROOVE or maturity. When they hit, they were a bunch of 21 year old kids playing as fast and as hard as they could. The had a splash of melody here and there between the vodka and Heineken-fueled fury. There was no time for groove and maturity in what they were playing. I agree Trujillo fits in with Lars, Kirk and James now, but Cliff fit in with Metallica.
More like Kurt Cobain. At the very least, Pantera kept metal alive if they didn't outright saved it.
Pantera kept metal alive? COME ON, any person who knows ANYTHING couldn't make such a blanketly ******** and superficial statement.
What exactly did Pantera keep alive? Viking metal and Black metal at the beginning and mid 90's was boojming, Bathory and Quothorn's acts were massive and the following amazing, progressive metal such as Pain of salvation and DT was gaining popularity, Opeth started, Alchemist started, hell even tool was just as popular as Pantera (if your going to call them metal), I'm sick of people treating Pantera like demi gods.
The band was nothing special, just because they gained popularity does not equate to genius, musical integrity or some kind of post death fanboyism that follows the word 'dime' everytime its posted.
Pantera were fine, they do not deserve their credit and there were much more influential, important and bands of higher quality. Certainly they didn't 'save' metal from whatever imagined fate your implying.
What did Pantera's legacy leave behind? Trivium, KsE. What did Bathory's? Gorgoroth, Opeth, Viking metal as a genre and finntroll.
Check and mate.
None of the bands you have mentioned would I considir major bands or headliners, barring Pantera, and I aint a "post death fanboy"
Metal was on a downward spiral in the 90's. Black/Death/Viking whatever was underground. They are only getting really popular now, ask any metal muisican that was around in the 90's what bands were the best, barring other extreme metal fans, I know what answers you will get.
