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That bass sounds great I am surprised you don't use it more and once again even though I am not a pastel kinda guy I dig the color in the color in the video much more than in the shots...
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Me using the eF word is old school?
Im just messing with you!
It was the shop amp in a glass corner between the window and glass show case and the cheapo camera was on top of the case.. not a good thing .. but i did it more for the visual of putting it together and weeeeoooo. its not 11 pounds.......
I couldn't do all that wood cutting and put it together without playing at least one note to see if it works...
and im thinking it will be about 8.7 pounds when finished.. on a full sized non chambered J body...weeeeooo
Im just messing with you!
It was the shop amp in a glass corner between the window and glass show case and the cheapo camera was on top of the case.. not a good thing .. but i did it more for the visual of putting it together and weeeeoooo. its not 11 pounds.......
I couldn't do all that wood cutting and put it together without playing at least one note to see if it works...
and im thinking it will be about 8.7 pounds when finished.. on a full sized non chambered J body...weeeeooo
I really do dig it, and solo, I actually prefer that tone to my LM (the LM rarely comes out of the case at home). In the dense mixes I typically perform in, I just find that 60's spec gets a little bit lost in the upper register, which is very key to my personal tone goals (that 'hear the windings on the B string' thing that the ash/maple really punches out). And the LM delivers that in spades just effortlessly, both through my rigs and front of house (sound guys LOVE that bass).
However, for the jazz/pop, low volume small group work I do on occasion, it is ALL about the LG!
Thanks... the color really is beautiful, especially in contrast to that very dark RW board. The green is a bit over the top, but I dig it
Edit: The above is why I still love my Sadowsky NYC ash/maple with singles J so much also.... it has the 60's pickup placement for that burp and low mid punch and growl, but still snarls up top also due to the ash/maple. IMO, that is a GREAT spec for a gigging bass when you need to cover a lot of tonal ground... close to the 70's vibe when wide open, and with the treble dialed back a bit with the passive tone control, and the bridge pickup favored, it barks also. Nice spec!
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Definitely a fatter sound. Man, I hate to say this, and I KNOW Ken will disagree and fault the recording method, but the LG sounds better to me... even slapped, and honestly, I'm not saying that just because I own an LG... I had the same opinion when I had one of each to compare. Again, tho, definitely not diss'n the LM AT ALL, 'cause like he said, these are simply fantastic basses in general, so don't get upset Ken.
Oh, and the Rufus Philpot vids also make me proud.
All this coupled with the fact that my LG is probably around a pound lighter than any LM I could get at this point, makes me cool off on the LM a lot, actually.
Definitely a fatter sound. Man, I hate to say this, and I KNOW Ken will disagree and fault the recording method, but the LG sounds better to me... even slapped, and honestly, I'm not saying that just because I own an LG... I had the same opinion when I had one of each to compare. Again, tho, definitely not diss'n the LM AT ALL, 'cause like he said, these are simply fantastic basses in general, so don't get upset Ken.
Oh, and the Rufus Philpot vids also make me proud.
All this coupled with the fact that my LG is probably around a pound lighter than any LM I could get at this point, makes me cool off on the LM a lot, actually.
Obviously, the LM and LG sound very different (as 60's and 70's instruments do), and it is not surprising that most wouldn't have a strong preference for one or the other. I too like the warmth of the LG solo, but man, in a mix, forget about it... the LM rules (again, for the type of music I play, which is mainly pop/funk). If I was doing a more classic rock or country gig, of course, the LG would fit that vibe a bit better IMO.
For the gigs you do, and your style of playing, the LG does seem perfect for you.
+1 on the weight though. If I couldn't get an LM under 10 pounds (mine is a touch over 9 pounds), I wouldn't even consider one at this point myself.
Well, I don't really do country, and while I do classic rock, I also do pop/funk, and even in a mix I still think I'd prefer the LG, but I do agree the LM would have a little more upper cut, and I know that's where you really live on this stuff.
This really is just about personal style/prefs tho, not a general statement that I feel the LG is simply categorically better than the LM for everyone or anything (foolish) like that. Just like you said, a better fit for me, BUT I would just remove the types of music played qualification, because for me, I think I'd like it better across the board... even in a mix.
IMHO.
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+1...honestly, I played Ken's LM a number of times after he got it at various hangs and GTG's, and while it sounded like a great jazz bass, it didn't blow me away. Until around a year ago when I borrowed it and used it on a couple gigs (after I had been gigging regularly with my Celinder Update). In the mix on the funk and gospel gigs, the LM just crushed. The analogy that comes to mind is that the LM5 in a mix sounded like my Celinder did when playing solo at home.
That being said - I bet an LG5 would KILL in the mix for the more traditional jazz trio gigs I do. Also for the all Motown gigs I play from time to time.
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svtb15,
Thanks for shooting the video. It's interesting to see how guys like Jimmy work. Hope you enjoy your LG5 man.
God Bless, Ray
Thanks for shooting the video. It's interesting to see how guys like Jimmy work. Hope you enjoy your LG5 man.
God Bless, Ray
+1... Jimmy just voices the LM's to just work in a mix, even though they can sound a bit over the top solo. It again is hard for me to play anything else out at this point. I can imagine having a bit more weight to the body like yours will have will result in even more killer attack and tone, and since you are a bit bigger than me
, a couple extra pounds on the instrument will be a zero issue for you. I'm really looking forward to checking out the 'new design' LM's when you get yours.Well, I don't really do country, and while I do classic rock, I also do pop/funk, and even in a mix I still think I'd prefer the LG, but I do agree the LM would have a little more upper cut, and I know that's where you really live on this stuff.
This really is just about personal style/prefs tho, not a general statement that I feel the LG is simply categorically better than the LM for everyone or anything (foolish) like that. Just like you said, a better fit for me, BUT I would just remove the types of music played qualification, because for me, I think I'd like it better across the board... even in a mix.
IMHO.
Nothing wrong with having a preference for one or the other. That's the way it works
Of course, if you own both, it becomes a moot point!
Shut up. You are NOT helping!!Nothing wrong with having a preference for one or the other. That's the way it works
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Did you ever have the opportunity to gig the LG?
See this is what I'm getting at... with how great his basses are, I don't think the lines are as well defined.
I actually DID gig, back to back, both an LM (that greenish/teal one) and an LG (that super uber-deluxe CAOJ one Tony originally bought). Made sure to play rock, pop, funk, and yes, even country (tho again, that's only a very few tunes in our list). Also, I was mentally pre-oriented towards the LM, and ironically, it was my gig/mix testing that led me to prefer the LG overall.
If nothing else, just consider my posts on this matter to be a reminder that, especially with Jimmy's great basses, I don't think the lines are so well defined. The tone in your fingers really REALLY plays a huge role here. It actually turned the tables for me.
Maybe it's fair to say Ken's results are more typical than mine, but I'm just saying don't bet the farm on it. In my case, the extra fatness of the LG actually enhances the slap tone, and somehow, I lose NO cutting ability. NONE, and if anyone knows me, they know I don't like "dull" sounding super-old school stuff. I need clarity up high... and can even deal with stuff some folks would call brittle (tho I know the LM and especially the LG would never be described that way... just illustrating my orientation is all).
Just some "IMHO/IME counterpoint" I guess.
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Similar theory with a sadowsky.. At times some folks may find them to sound weird when soloed. But you put them in the mix and you have magic. i thinking that sadowsky may be the most recorded bass next to a fender bass at least in rock stuff.. jazz too though.. and late night with letterman... they all just sound so good in a mix.. and im no Jaco or Abe Loboriel , so the mix is where it counts for me.
Im an LG guy but the LMs that i have played has made me lust for one too.. and i love my NYC PJ5
So +1
they all just sound so good in a mix.. and im no Jaco or Abe Loboriel , so the mix is where it counts for me.Im an LG guy but the LMs that i have played has made me lust for one too.. and i love my NYC PJ5
So +1
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Did you ever have the opportunity to gig the LG?
See this is what I'm getting at... with how great his basses are, I don't think the lines are as well defined.
I actually DID gig, back to back, both an LM (that greenish/teal one) and an LG (that super uber-deluxe CAOJ one Tony originally bought). Made sure to play rock, pop, funk, and yes, even country (tho again, that's only a very few tunes in our list). Also, I was mentally pre-oriented towards the LM, and ironically, it was my gig/mix testing that led me to prefer the LG overall.
If nothing else, just consider my posts on this matter to be a reminder that, especially with Jimmy's great basses, I don't think the lines are so well defined. The tone in your fingers really REALLY plays a huge role here. It actually turned the tables for me.
Maybe it's fair to say Ken's results are more typical than mine, but I'm just saying don't bet the farm on it. In my case, the extra fatness of the LG actually enhances the slap tone, and somehow, I lose NO cutting ability. NONE, and if anyone knows me, they know I don't like "dull" sounding super-old school stuff. I need clarity up high... and can even deal with stuff some folks would call brittle (tho I know the LM and especially the LG would never be described that way... just illustrating my orientation is all).
Just some "IMHO/IME counterpoint" I guess.
Very good points! No, I haven't gigged his LG5, and maybe I need to arrange it with him sometime soon. I know it would work great on the jazz and funk stuff I do, the only place I'm not sure if it would work would be on my gospel gigs when I do a good amount of slap. Those church gigs have really busy mixes that tend to bury the high end. I even experienced that with the Celinder I had which is definitely bright. So for a good slap tone in those mixes I have to have a kinda thick upper mid grind (but not in the honky upper mid frequencies) to cut through the mix. The two jazz basses that did that for me so far are Ken's LM5, and my cheap MIM Fender that I'm using right now (man that bass just kills in every context!)
Did you ever have the opportunity to gig the LG?
See this is what I'm getting at... with how great his basses are, I don't think the lines are as well defined.
I actually DID gig, back to back, both an LM (that greenish/teal one) and an LG (that super uber-deluxe CAOJ one Tony originally bought). Made sure to play rock, pop, funk, and yes, even country (tho again, that's only a very few tunes in our list). Also, I was mentally pre-oriented towards the LM, and ironically, it was my gig/mix testing that led me to prefer the LG overall.
If nothing else, just consider my posts on this matter to be a reminder that, especially with Jimmy's great basses, I don't think the lines are so well defined. The tone in your fingers really REALLY plays a huge role here. It actually turned the tables for me.
Maybe it's fair to say Ken's results are more typical than mine, but I'm just saying don't bet the farm on it. In my case, the extra fatness of the LG actually enhances the slap tone, and somehow, I lose NO cutting ability. NONE, and if anyone knows me, they know I don't like "dull" sounding super-old school stuff. I need clarity up high... and can even deal with stuff some folks would call brittle (tho I know the LM and especially the LG would never be described that way... just illustrating my orientation is all).
Just some "IMHO/IME counterpoint" I guess.
I believe Jason and I have much more similar tone goals, playing approach, and play relatively similar gigs and contexts versus what you do, so again, the discussion is a bit silly. The basses sound quite different, and depending on the context and tone goal, it again is old news that some would prefer a 60's spec and some would prefer a 70's spec.
What you personally like and what I personally like is a relatively uninteresting discussion. That's why clips are nice... they just 'are what they are' and the listener can hopefully get a little bit of a feel as to how these basses sound, since very few (including me) had the opportunity to 'try before buy'.
So again, you digging your LG is TOTALLY COOL
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