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Club Alleva-Coppolo (Part 18)

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Well, that's good news! Thanks! :)

I love my Hipshot's convenience, but it does make me wonder about trying that cool looking bent plate on my LG now... :)

In the mean time, back to the original question, tonal comparisons?


Vic,
Changing them makes a pretty significant difference for me, but its model and weight (of bass) dependant also IMO. So with no hard and strict rules as to always having only one type of bridge on a certain model, and also taking into consideration the difference in weight of 2 basses of the same model ( some are more compressed than others), I've found the steel is a little more open sounding with more overtones , airier highs, and punchier ...not in fundamental but in attack ( space around the note). I like them on LGs generally. The Hip brass is stronger in the fundamental and glossier/slightly compressed in the highs, slightly more bottom end, and slightly more compressed all around. I like them on my RAs and LM.

There is nothing lacking for me with the Hip on LGs, its just what you want to hear from the bass. I would say the steel is closer to old Fender sound...a little dirtier too because less compressed...but like I said the Hip has a strong fundamental which I appreciate also on the LG because its makes the the alder/rosewood/60s big boom a little more clean and precise.

Its always much better to have tried these things on many basses covering different models than on only lets say..2 basses...the more you swap them the more you tune into the general character changes across wood combos and pup positions.
 
Vic,
Changing them makes a pretty significant difference for me...
Well, that's exactly what I'd expect between them, so it's good to have that confirmed. I should probably consider a switch, and depending on the price, might try one, but I have a feeling my personal prefs would take me back to the hipshot anyway. I'll think about it.
 
Well, that's exactly what I'd expect between them, so it's good to have that confirmed. I should probably consider a switch, and depending on the price, might try one, but I have a feeling my personal prefs would take me back to the hipshot anyway. I'll think about it.


Yes, the steel is not cheap , but it does sound great for what its supposed to do. I've done alot of swapping here over time with/for AC guys so they can experiment and compare..and its both saved and cost them money! ;)
 
What in Jimmy's opinion were the design flaws besides the saddles sliding down?
FWIW, if he's redesigning, one thing I'd like to see (if he's not already doing it) is a feature like Hipshot has where you can slide the ball-ends over and pull the string out instead of having to cut the string down there or feed the whole thing back through it to remove it.
 
FWIW, if he's redesigning, one thing I'd like to see (if he's not already doing it) is a feature like Hipshot has where you can slide the ball-ends over and pull the string out instead of having to cut the string down there or feed the whole thing back through it to remove it.

Totally agree.

I have the bent metal bridge and I like it a lot but I hate that you can't quick release the strings.
 
Sup Gents,

Ive been MIA for a bit, but i try to check in from time to time.
Im working on an instructional DVD for our latest record and i wanted to share a pic from the actual footage.
It should be out early February. Congrats to all of the new AC owners! The basses look GREAT!

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Sorry .. Ive been out of town..
The bent plate that i have is the exact same hole config as the Hipshot...
The base is thicker so you have to change out your height adjustment.. but each bridge does sound different..

I dont know if the Hipshot is more compressed or does it just seem compressed since it is more even across the tonal plane.. compared to the Bent Plate that may have a low mid bump..

Someone with test equipment could figure that one out.. And ill bet someone on TB has the gear to figure it out once and for sure.

I think he's talking about Jimmy's bent plate, and I could be wrong, but I thought I remembered a post a long time ago that did say the hole patterns were different.

Kirk? Jason? Beuller? Confirm?
 
cool pic Mike!

just thought I'd check in after playing a few gigs and rehearsals with my new TB LM5. This thing is quite an instrument. I was worried the weight of an LM would be too much for me but the weight is RIGHT where i would want it on a heavier ash bass. I spent several hours swapping out bridges and strings and making setup adjustments but I'm pretty happy where it is right now. So I first threw a set of Black Diamond coated black rounds (40-120) on it and went to Church on Sunday. The bass felt pretty great but I had a difficult time fighting with the knobs. If I set it like my RA5 it sounded horrible, and I kept having to settle for somewhere in between clanky and too muddy to hear any articulation. I realized those strings are pretty dead and figured I should put whatever rounds came on it back on (even though they're a thicker gauge than I prefer). I then got the idea to see what a badass V sounds like on there so I did the swap (including putting the black diamonds back on) and set it up. BAM! felt and sounded killer! nice little thumpy punch but with tons of clarity. Mind you, the spacing at this point was no longer 18mm hence the BA bridge. However, the smaller nut width still kept a similar tight feel which I really liked. Ultimately, I kept running into setup issues with it just not being able to find that sweet spot between the tension of the truss and the height of the bridge saddles. I find with those strings, they generally prefer a very tight truss with a little bit of height in the saddles but on this bass they just felt like stiff cables. When I loosened the truss though, they started to feel better but now the action was too high for me and the saddles were as low as possible. I just said screw it let's not ruin a good thing here.

So with the original bridge and strings back on both basses, I went to a rehearsal in Jersey playing with a female Swedish singer songwriter who used to be in Coheed and Cambria and the drummer of Coheed is now in this band. This was my first time playing with him. They had an SVT and 8x10 there for me and I know it's hard to sound bad out of a rig like that but the LM sounded SO GOOD! I didn't have to fight with the controls at all! I also realized that the natural tone of the bass can be very thick so I don't need as much bass knob action as I usually would use on my RA (AHH I can't believe I'm saying that!). The slap tone on this thing is insane. Just like every LM I've ever played, if you close your eyes, it's Marcus. Seriously, just effortless classic Marcus Miller slap tone. Jimmy literally has it down to a science at this point.

Now the big test: open mic hip-hop Tuesdays in Brooklyn! I was nervous (especially with the newer rounds on) that the LM wasn't going to be bassy enough to fill all that space so I brought both basses in my cute little IGig double bag (thanks Miko!) and the RA didn't come out once. Huge fat low end with just a small kick on the bass knob and the tone pot rolled back about 60%-70%. Still, super clear and articulate. I didn't want to put it down!

So at this point I think it's safe to say this bass is a sure thing. I'm still getting used to the 18mm spacing which I find only kind of bothers me on the low B string (?) and it still has that "new bass" feel which I'm trying to break in. Also, the back pickup was set SO low I had to take the pickup out and put a folded up paper towel in there to make it higher. It still isn't quite there but the pole pieces jut out of the casing which kind of hurts my fingers and i can't figure out how to fix that yet. But other than that I couldn't be happier! And for all you haters who called my bass ugly :D, I've already gotten more compliments and questions about this bass in a week than both my other ACs combined! Could be cause it's an unusual looking Fender-style bass, or maybe they're just humoring me....:scowl:
 
bassdoubler said:
cool pic Mike!

just thought I'd check in after playing a few gigs and rehearsals with my new TB LM5. This thing is quite an instrument. I was worried the weight of an LM would be too much for me but the weight is RIGHT where i would want it on a heavier ash bass. I spent several hours swapping out bridges and strings and making setup adjustments but I'm pretty happy where it is right now. So I first threw a set of Black Diamond coated black rounds (40-120) on it and went to Church on Sunday. The bass felt pretty great but I had a difficult time fighting with the knobs. If I set it like my RA5 it sounded horrible, and I kept having to settle for somewhere in between clanky and too muddy to hear any articulation. I realized those strings are pretty dead and figured I should put whatever rounds came on it back on (even though they're a thicker gauge than I prefer). I then got the idea to see what a badass V sounds like on there so I did the swap (including putting the black diamonds back on) and set it up. BAM! felt and sounded killer! nice little thumpy punch but with tons of clarity. Mind you, the spacing at this point was no longer 18mm hence the BA bridge. However, the smaller nut width still kept a similar tight feel which I really liked. Ultimately, I kept running into setup issues with it just not being able to find that sweet spot between the tension of the truss and the height of the bridge saddles. I find with those strings, they generally prefer a very tight truss with a little bit of height in the saddles but on this bass they just felt like stiff cables. When I loosened the truss though, they started to feel better but now the action was too high for me and the saddles were as low as possible. I just said screw it let's not ruin a good thing here.

So with the original bridge and strings back on both basses, I went to a rehearsal in Jersey playing with a female Swedish singer songwriter who used to be in Coheed and Cambria and the drummer of Coheed is now in this band. This was my first time playing with him. They had an SVT and 8x10 there for me and I know it's hard to sound bad out of a rig like that but the LM sounded SO GOOD! I didn't have to fight with the controls at all! I also realized that the natural tone of the bass can be very thick so I don't need as much bass knob action as I usually would use on my RA (AHH I can't believe I'm saying that!). The slap tone on this thing is insane. Just like every LM I've ever played, if you close your eyes, it's Marcus. Seriously, just effortless classic Marcus Miller slap tone. Jimmy literally has it down to a science at this point.

Now the big test: open mic hip-hop Tuesdays in Brooklyn! I was nervous (especially with the newer rounds on) that the LM wasn't going to be bassy enough to fill all that space so I brought both basses in my cute little IGig double bag (thanks Miko!) and the RA didn't come out once. Huge fat low end with just a small kick on the bass knob and the tone pot rolled back about 60%-70%. Still, super clear and articulate. I didn't want to put it down!

So at this point I think it's safe to say this bass is a sure thing. I'm still getting used to the 18mm spacing which I find only kind of bothers me on the low B string (?) and it still has that "new bass" feel which I'm trying to break in. Also, the back pickup was set SO low I had to take the pickup out and put a folded up paper towel in there to make it higher. It still isn't quite there but the pole pieces jut out of the casing which kind of hurts my fingers and i can't figure out how to fix that yet. But other than that I couldn't be happier! And for all you haters who called my bass ugly :D, I've already gotten more compliments and questions about this bass in a week than both my other ACs combined! Could be cause it's an unusual looking Fender-style bass, or maybe they're just humoring me....:scowl:

It's great that you are digging that LM man. It sounds like it took a little bit of work to get you there but I'm sure it was worth it.

Now, does this mean you will sell me that KBP of yours?
 
cool pic Mike!

just thought I'd check in after playing a few gigs and rehearsals with my new TB LM5. This thing is quite an instrument. I was worried the weight of an LM would be too much for me but the weight is RIGHT where i would want it on a heavier ash bass. I spent several hours swapping out bridges and strings and making setup adjustments but I'm pretty happy where it is right now. So I first threw a set of Black Diamond coated black rounds (40-120) on it and went to Church on Sunday. The bass felt pretty great but I had a difficult time fighting with the knobs. If I set it like my RA5 it sounded horrible, and I kept having to settle for somewhere in between clanky and too muddy to hear any articulation. I realized those strings are pretty dead and figured I should put whatever rounds came on it back on (even though they're a thicker gauge than I prefer). I then got the idea to see what a badass V sounds like on there so I did the swap (including putting the black diamonds back on) and set it up. BAM! felt and sounded killer! nice little thumpy punch but with tons of clarity. Mind you, the spacing at this point was no longer 18mm hence the BA bridge. However, the smaller nut width still kept a similar tight feel which I really liked. Ultimately, I kept running into setup issues with it just not being able to find that sweet spot between the tension of the truss and the height of the bridge saddles. I find with those strings, they generally prefer a very tight truss with a little bit of height in the saddles but on this bass they just felt like stiff cables. When I loosened the truss though, they started to feel better but now the action was too high for me and the saddles were as low as possible. I just said screw it let's not ruin a good thing here.

So with the original bridge and strings back on both basses, I went to a rehearsal in Jersey playing with a female Swedish singer songwriter who used to be in Coheed and Cambria and the drummer of Coheed is now in this band. This was my first time playing with him. They had an SVT and 8x10 there for me and I know it's hard to sound bad out of a rig like that but the LM sounded SO GOOD! I didn't have to fight with the controls at all! I also realized that the natural tone of the bass can be very thick so I don't need as much bass knob action as I usually would use on my RA (AHH I can't believe I'm saying that!). The slap tone on this thing is insane. Just like every LM I've ever played, if you close your eyes, it's Marcus. Seriously, just effortless classic Marcus Miller slap tone. Jimmy literally has it down to a science at this point.

Now the big test: open mic hip-hop Tuesdays in Brooklyn! I was nervous (especially with the newer rounds on) that the LM wasn't going to be bassy enough to fill all that space so I brought both basses in my cute little IGig double bag (thanks Miko!) and the RA didn't come out once. Huge fat low end with just a small kick on the bass knob and the tone pot rolled back about 60%-70%. Still, super clear and articulate. I didn't want to put it down!

So at this point I think it's safe to say this bass is a sure thing. I'm still getting used to the 18mm spacing which I find only kind of bothers me on the low B string (?) and it still has that "new bass" feel which I'm trying to break in. Also, the back pickup was set SO low I had to take the pickup out and put a folded up paper towel in there to make it higher. It still isn't quite there but the pole pieces jut out of the casing which kind of hurts my fingers and i can't figure out how to fix that yet. But other than that I couldn't be happier! And for all you haters who called my bass ugly :D, I've already gotten more compliments and questions about this bass in a week than both my other ACs combined! Could be cause it's an unusual looking Fender-style bass, or maybe they're just humoring me....:scowl:

Very cool! It is more different than the RA's than most would think IMO and IME. And, like you, I put on a set of roundwounds (DR Hi Beams on mine), boost the bass control 20%, and there you go.... 70's 'Fenderish' bliss. I would not dig the tighter spacing, but that is a pure personal choice. Amazing execution of a 70's style bass that has a lot of 'traditional' tone in it, but also a bit of 'Jimmy magic'... a bit wider, a bit sweeter up top, and that wonderful 'transparent' preamp that allows you to dial in a bit of low end fatness without trashing the relatively traditional tone.:bassist:

Glad you are digging it!:bassist:
 
thanks guys!

+1 Ken I couldn't agree more....I still prefer the sound of the RA5 though since it just seems to blend into the mix a bit better IME but I bought the LM5 as my backup/touring bass and I couldn't be happier with it. Very happy to have a great later 70s Fender sounding bass in the bunch!

Joel, not sure if I'm ready to part with it yet it just sounds SO good in the studio!!
 
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