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Club Alleva-Coppolo (Part 20)

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bassarama said:
Nice pocket man.

You know a couple of interesting things about the LG and LM thing--completely without bias or trying to cause any rifts and stuff.

a. Before I ever laid hands on an ALLEVA, I and a friend- pro bassist-- listened long and hard to the KJUNG bass tests (thanks KEN :D) and every time ( we placed Ken's tests on huge stereo speakers and the LM--every note was distinct--the LG was warm but notes on the E string were not as such ?? )

b. My girlfriend has very sharp ears for bass sounds and was working near me, when I just played this clip and she said the sound of the bass was not distinct and surprised when I showed her the clip--this was a very objective opinion from a non musician.

In my experience ( I stil have both basses --LM5 and LG5 ) at any volume my LM5 speaks very distinctly and clear at any volume--any style.

In this video the notes G flat to A flat on the E string disappear--or is it just my waxy old ears......
I find the notes on my LG 5 are generally more distinct in passive mode and lose their definition in active ?????

Thoughts :hmm::hmm:
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When I had both my LG and LM, I ended up playing the LG in passive mode pretty much exclusively. It sounded really good that way. However, I still own and gig the LM, and my very nice LG found a new, happy home. I don't think it is a 'better or worse' thing, but more a 60's versus 70's thing.

I'm with you that Jimmy's take on the 70's J just always seems to work. I guess another way of putting that is that it is always easier for me to EQ out a bit of the grind and pop, and tighten the low end with the LM than trying to go the other way around when I need it with the LG. That being said, if you dig the more warm, mellow 60's sort of vibe, the LG kills (especially if you use nickel wounds versus steels and play it in passive mode IMO.... builds on the strength of that instrument).

IMO there! And, I'm in on the new thread! Gigged the LM with the Glock Blue Soul/Berg AE210 the last two weekends... whew! It was the hammer of the gods!

Edit: Nice clip by Diglo by the way. I think that bit of blurring is probably more due to the Aguilar rig, which is warm and fat and chewy. That sort of thing can sound really good in a mix. I describe my Aguilar TH500 as one of those amps that results in the bass sounding very good but not calling attention to it... fat and in the pocket and slotted to support versus stand out. Oversimplification, but I dig that sort of 'fat/chewy' vibe also, and the LG is all about that.
 
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What I have noticed and not sure about the rest of you is that the Passive tone to me is so very similar to the Active tone with the tone knobs Active Treble and Bass all the way Down?So what I do is just add a touch of Bass and it really Jumps out for me.I guess what Im saying is there is not a big jump in tone between the Passive and Active tones as in others out there so I feel it is basicly a more passive tone but you can dial in a touch more booty.This is only my opinion though just because I am able to compare one of Jimmy,s Active basses and his all Passive Resurrection basses.If this makes any sense!!
 
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foderaman said:
What I have noticed and not sure about the rest of you is that the Passive tone to me is so very similar to the Active tone with the tone knobs Active Treble and Bass all the way Down?So what I do is just add a touch of Bass and it really Jumps out for me.I guess what Im saying is there is not a big jump in tone between the Passive and Active tones as in others out there so I feel it is basicly a more passive tone but you can dial in a touch more booty.This is only my opinion though just because I am able to compare one of Jimmy,s Active basses and his all Passive Resurrection basses.If this makes any sense!!
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+1 With my LM, I just use a bit of bass boost and it still sounds quite vintage and passive. For some reason, I hear a bit more difference with my LG, and preferred the passive tone. However, it wasn't huge, as you say, like some other preamps. That is one of the things I really like about Jimmy's circuit... very subtle. I call the bass boost on my LM the 'add 5 pounds to the sound' knob:D
 
#29
I pretty much agree.
The ting that, to me, with my LG, separates it from other basses is "how passive the preamp sounds."
The bass retains virtually the same character, which is nice.
 
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I just got this beauty last week

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As transparent as the AC pre is, it still yields the common characteristics of a buffered, active signal... namley slightly boosted high's and lows - thats why it sounds "clearer" in passive (more mids).

This is true wtih every preamp I've ever tried - ever.
 
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Modern Growl said:
As transparent as the AC pre is, it still yields the common characteristics of a buffered, active signal... namley slightly boosted high's and lows - thats why it sounds "clearer" in passive (more mids).

This is true wtih every preamp I've ever tried - ever.
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Hummmh...makes sense to me.......:hmm::hmm:

Brilliant, simple, and I think your point Modern Growl, addresses what most of us who use the LG in passive mode could not articulate--or at least I couldn't....hummmh :hmm::hmm:

Thanks ;);)
 
#37
I have an LG.
I like the preamp, and the mild bump to highs and lows when it's engaged.
While the LG certainly sounds great passive, I use it in active mode nearly exclusively.

I know at least two guys who liked passive well enough they had the "pull passive mode" reversed to "pull active mode."

Not me though.
I generally have active treble boosted a bit, passive tone cut a bit.
Sometimes I'll add a touch of bass boost when favoring the bridge pickup, sometimes not.

I'm fairly certain I remember reading that Jimmy did a lot of his testing with treble and bass maxed; and I think I remember someone saying Nate Watts used his like that at least some of the time.

My memory isn't all it should be sometimes though....
 
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Modern Growl said:
As transparent as the AC pre is, it still yields the common characteristics of a buffered, active signal... namley slightly boosted high's and lows - thats why it sounds "clearer" in passive (more mids).

This is true wtih every preamp I've ever tried - ever.
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+1 and nicely stated. That 'buffering effect', for me is a positive with a more aggressive (for lack of a better term 'modern') voicing of my 70's oriented LM, and it seems to build on the inherent voicing of the instrument.

For me personally, that little bit of extra low end and extra top end, and the other subtle buffering effects of an active circuit on passive pickups, works against the classic '60's' J tone wiith the LG.

That being said, it all sounds great, and just depends what you are looking for. My 'gold standard' examples of what a 70's J tone I like is active, and the 60's tone I like is passive.

So, +1 that even though there isn't much of a built in EQ voicing like other preamps when Jimmy's tone controls are 'off', you still get a full 'active buffering effect', like with any circuit.
 
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