How so? I find these basses worth every penny, and there is a nice range of prices across the various brands of boutique J's like Lull, Sadowsky, Alleva, Valenti, etc.
Virtually every product, bass or otherwise, increases in price from year to year.
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How so? I find these basses worth every penny, and there is a nice range of prices across the various brands of boutique J's like Lull, Sadowsky, Alleva, Valenti, etc.
Virtually every product, bass or otherwise, increases in price from year to year.
Supply and demand. If the demand wasn't there then I'm sure the prices wouldn't be where they are.....and I'm also sure that Jimmy isn't making out like a bandit here.
I have (2) Alleva-Coppolo's and they are both wurth what
I paid for them! I would actually like have another but
that's not going to happen in 2009. I won't be buying
any basses next year.
Dan
I paid for them! I would actually like have another but
that's not going to happen in 2009. I won't be buying
any basses next year.
Dan
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Didn't Jimmy address this in a post yesterday? He told you that he was bringing out a less expensive version to try to make his basses accessible to those "on a tighter budget".
Seems to me that the Boutique Jazz market got a little less silly, yes?
Yeah, yeah. There is no question in my mind that ACs are very fine basses, and there is no doubt that they are worth every penny to those who can afford them. And yes, it's simply supply and demand. But, the demand is where the problem is. I think its fueled by GAS, obsessiveness, and hype...none of which are vital to creativity and musicianship, in fact they may be harmful. While an instrument may inspire, the player is still the most important ingredient by far, and if you take out the hype and GAS, any decent instrument should do. I wanted a P-bass, and the quote Jimmy gave me (4k+ for a standard passive 4-string) was, IMO, insane...and I could have afforded it, had I wanted.
If you're talk about collecting, and take making music totally out of the equation, it all makes more sense to me. Now some of us are obsessing down the exact year of Fender they are trying to emulate, and that seems crazy.
Anyway, all this has been discussed in-finitum on talkbass, where GASers abound. So I know my opinions will not be popular, especially in a "bass du-jour club" thread. So be it.
If you're talk about collecting, and take making music totally out of the equation, it all makes more sense to me. Now some of us are obsessing down the exact year of Fender they are trying to emulate, and that seems crazy.
Anyway, all this has been discussed in-finitum on talkbass, where GASers abound. So I know my opinions will not be popular, especially in a "bass du-jour club" thread. So be it.
In view of your line regarding "any decent instrument should do" and obviously knowing that Jimmy's instruments were toward the upper end of the market, why did you bother getting a quote ?
Sure the player is of absolute importance, so why shouldn't that player buy an instrument that inspires and pleases ? Even greats like Stanley Clarke have spoken of the freedom "the" instrument gave them.
End of the day it's down to choice, and you've made yours, so why spoil a thread where people are sharing their enjoyment of a particular marque ?
While I'll begin by saying you have every right to your opinion.I'll even say I agree with allot of your post.
I find your tact poor at best and inflammatory/escalating in nature. I'll have to concede that this is a internet chat group and that is part of the beast. If that's the role you want to play so be it.
Aj
I find your tact poor at best and inflammatory/escalating in nature. I'll have to concede that this is a internet chat group and that is part of the beast. If that's the role you want to play so be it.
Aj
I don't know Dave, with all due respect, you are entitled to your opinion, but you seem to contradict yourself by your opening statement "There is no question in my mind that AC's are very fine basses, and there is no doubt that they are worth every penny ..."
Regardless of the cost, whether an instrument cost you 1500 or 4k, it doesn't matter, if the instrument sounds good and feels good in a players hand, it is bound to inspire one to play
with less effort and concentrate on creativity and musicianship, again regardless of the cost.
That being said, Are they worth every penny to those who can afford them is irrelevant. A well made instrument should speak for itself without any hype or "Bass bon jour BS"...
As you state, " if you take out the hype and gas, any decent instrument should do" that is fine as long as we are entitled to make our own choices based upon our research and experiences, not based upon one person's opinion that "4K is insane", some types of opinions should be kept to oneself.
Merry New Year
Regardless of the cost, whether an instrument cost you 1500 or 4k, it doesn't matter, if the instrument sounds good and feels good in a players hand, it is bound to inspire one to play
with less effort and concentrate on creativity and musicianship, again regardless of the cost.
That being said, Are they worth every penny to those who can afford them is irrelevant. A well made instrument should speak for itself without any hype or "Bass bon jour BS"...
As you state, " if you take out the hype and gas, any decent instrument should do" that is fine as long as we are entitled to make our own choices based upon our research and experiences, not based upon one person's opinion that "4K is insane", some types of opinions should be kept to oneself.
Merry New Year
Wow! Someone got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning!
The good news for you is, if the instrument doesn't really matter to you, about $400 and a trip to Guitar Center will get you a nice Squire P Bass. Absolutely NOTHING wrong with that IMO.
+1 to that.
I would also add that while I too, agree with some of your points I don't agree with your tact either.
Your observations about the essence of playing are not mutually exclusive to this threads intent.
I for one, do most of my practicing on a Hohner (on the train) due to time constraints, and currently my main player bass is a Fender re-issue...nothing exotic. It's all I need to further the cause.
That said I (we) can still also enjoy/own/aspire to own to a finely crafted instrument utilizing woods from a time period long ago in an effort to replicate an era of sound but with a much better playability/build. It can only serve to elevate ones expressive options if that's your thing and early Fender (in this threads case) is your sonic preference.
All adds up to a big bag of sour grapes if you ask me.
Look, if you don't like the price tag, that's fine. And nobody here will argue that the player matters more than the bass, but an inspired player matters more than anything, and that's how we feel when we're playing these AC basses.
If you don't feel your getting bang for your buck, go buy a Fender 08 American Standard P Bass. Nice bass, much lower cost. Or go find yourself a used AC P Bass (there's a nice CAOJ available right now), or some other suitable P Bass; lots of good basses available at better than ever prices so there is no reason not to have a good one.
But please, PLEASE, don't come into our "bass du jour" thread and lay a rap on our instruments, and by inference the guy that made them. You're more than welcome to like other instruments better, but the whole "I don't see why anyone needs an expensive bass" theme is ridiculous and redundant.
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I don't know of anymore but it really all boils down to what sound and look you identify most with--the 60s or the 70s. You won't go wrong with either one.
I had the same dilemna before deciding myself but went with the LM5 because the 70s sound is what I'm used to hearing. Although I prefer rosewood fingerboards, I decided to stay true to the 70s sound by going with the maple fingerboard. Besides, I have the ash/rosewood combo in my Musicman.
Jimmy told me they sounds quite different, so I just wanted to try to hear the difference for my self. I like both the 60s and the 70s sound..
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C'mon, man.........lighten up...........GAS, obsessiveness, hype....?...All things that made me pick up my instrument in the first place.......don't regret any of the three so far.......while "some of us are obsessing down
the exact year theyt are trying to emulate" may very well be crazy, but for what these things cost, let "some of us" do whatever it is "some of us" want to do.......they paid for it.....they can obsess with balancing the damn thing on their nose if they wanted.....it's their bass and in the end, it's all in fun and part of the joy of having one in the first place, if that's what they want to do........
In most cases, they do ,especially if your options are chosen carefully (body weight, fingerboard wood, etc.)....... Outside of the A-C website, which has links to a few good YouTube clips, I'm not sure if there is much else out there now...
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