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I cant say enough about the amazing customer support Roger and the crew provide,I needed some assistance and Roger walked me through an issue and helped me remedy it on the spot..Anybody on the fence get off and buy!
Not only are these basses top notch these guys are definitely the best in the business...
 
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Dinosaur Punk said:
When I play with only the pads of my finger and attack the string at roughly a 45 degree angle (typical finger style), the sound occurs pretty consistently on the A and E string. I don't think it's a technique issue, because this sound does not occur on my other basses. However, I've noticed that when I play using finger nails and attack the string exactly perpendicularly, the sound does not seem to occur.
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Odia said:
This might be reaching a bit but it almost sounds like the neck doesn't have enough relief and it's not fretting quite perfectly cleanly.
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Agreed the 2 different attacks make the string vibrate in different directions IMO its a simple set up issue your buzzing out because your actions too low and most likely your neck needs a touch of relief.
Turn the truss rod 1/8-1/4 turn counter clockwise and see if it goes away.
 
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jeff5311 said:
Listen closely for the sound. If its happening right after the string is plucked, it's from the follow thru of your finger hitting the next string. does the sound go away when you pluck upwards? If so, that's your culprit. As for setup, you can go by specs, but I go by feel and use my ears (my action is always lower than spec).

I had this same problem and adjusted my plucking technique slightly. Didn't mean to say setup change is the only answer.
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mozilla314 said:
I've had this problem before with one of my basses.
I think that your action OR bridge setup is so low
that the strings are hitting the pickup as you pluck.
Either lower the pickup or raise the strings.
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Fran Diaz said:
Several possibilities come to my head:
Play the bass and while you do it, hold each knob. One of them might me slightly loose and that might be the vibration that you hear (this has happened to me).
Another possibility is that one of the saddle screws on the bridge is not resting on the bridge plate. Do the same test while you use the allen wrench to hold each screw.

let us know how you fix it and good luck.
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jonno1707 said:
Agreed the 2 different attacks make the string vibrate in different directions IMO its a simple set up issue your buzzing out because your actions too low and most likely your neck needs a touch of relief.
Turn the truss rod 1/8-1/4 turn counter clockwise and see if it goes away.
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As much as I would like this to simply be a setup issue (since that's relatively easy to solve), the mystery noise has been observed and replicated by another qualified luthier here in my area (Carl Pedigo), whom Roger recommended.

As everyone on this thread would expect, Roger has been very active in helping me identify and resolve this.

I don't know anything more, and I won't for at least a few days. But I will post back when I learn what's up.

Thanks for the suggestions so far! :help:
 
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Dinosaur Punk said:
As much as I would like this to simply be a setup issue (since that's relatively easy to solve), the mystery noise has been observed and replicated by another qualified luthier here in my area (Carl Pedigo), whom Roger recommended.

As everyone on this thread would expect, Roger has been very active in helping me identify and resolve this.

I don't know anything more, and I won't for at least a few days. But I will post back when I learn what's up.

Thanks for the suggestions so far! :help:
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Make sure to check the springs on the bridge. If one is a bit loose, or vibrating against something (and it doesn't have to be the string that you hear the problem with), it can result in something that sounds like the winding of a string being loose. The sound won't directionally point you to the bridge. Strange thing. Every once in a while, on a few basses (my Sadowsky was one), I had to just kind of move one of the springs a bit with my thumb.
 
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KJung said:
Make sure to check the springs on the bridge. If one is a bit loose, or vibrating against something (and it doesn't have to be the string that you hear the problem with), it can result in something that sounds like the winding of a string being loose. The sound won't directionally point you to the bridge. Strange thing. Every once in a while, on a few basses (my Sadowsky was one), I had to just kind of move one of the springs a bit with my thumb.
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And also the set screws. I've found that, especially if one turns fairly easy, and was not necessarily supporting 50% of string tension last time it was adjusted, it's possible for vibration to basically unscrew it and have the saddle "stand on one leg" while the other "leg" (set screw) buzzed against the base plate.

This is a fairly rare case, but probably similar to spring issues in corner case nature.

The solution is simple, just run the screw back down enough to see the saddle move just a tiny bit, indicating it's got pressure back on it, and if need be, maybe even use some non-bonding thread lock to keep it there.

FWIW.
 
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KJung said:
Make sure to check the springs on the bridge. If one is a bit loose, or vibrating against something (and it doesn't have to be the string that you hear the problem with), it can result in something that sounds like the winding of a string being loose. The sound won't directionally point you to the bridge. Strange thing. Every once in a while, on a few basses (my Sadowsky was one), I had to just kind of move one of the springs a bit with my thumb.
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Excellent point, I've had that very problem.

I also had a similar issue caused by a loose strap button! As with the loose spring that Ken mentioned, it was tricky to trace. That was over a decade ago when I was using Schaller straplocks, which are notoriously unreliable in a number of ways. :scowl: Naturally Sadowsky uses Dunlop Dual Design straplocks, the best IMO, and I have never had a single problem with the DDD system on any of my basses. The loose button problem goes away when playing standing up, but I usually troubleshoot those problems sitting down! It's almost certainly not the problem here, just sharing an example of weird stuff that can happen.
 
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KJung said:
Make sure to check the springs on the bridge. If one is a bit loose, or vibrating against something (and it doesn't have to be the string that you hear the problem with), it can result in something that sounds like the winding of a string being loose. The sound won't directionally point you to the bridge. Strange thing. Every once in a while, on a few basses (my Sadowsky was one), I had to just kind of move one of the springs a bit with my thumb.
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The spring idea seems somewhat intriguing. Unfortunately my bass is now making its way to Long Island City, so I can't check that. :atoz: I did try playing with someone else pressing on the saddles, and the sound still occurred. But maybe we didn't isolate the springs...

Vic said:
And also the set screws. I've found that, especially if one turns fairly easy, and was not necessarily supporting 50% of string tension last time it was adjusted, it's possible for vibration to basically unscrew it and have the saddle "stand on one leg" while the other "leg" (set screw) buzzed against the base plate.

This is a fairly rare case, but probably similar to spring issues in corner case nature.

The solution is simple, just run the screw back down enough to see the saddle move just a tiny bit, indicating it's got pressure back on it, and if need be, maybe even use some non-bonding thread lock to keep it there.

FWIW.
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In the course of validating the setup, I raised the saddles, and made sure they were level. So I think we can rule that out.

Fuzzbass said:
Excellent point, I've had that very problem.

I also had a similar issue caused by a loose strap button! As with the loose spring that Ken mentioned, it was tricky to trace. That was over a decade ago when I was using Schaller straplocks, which are notoriously unreliable in a number of ways. :scowl: Naturally Sadowsky uses Dunlop Dual Design straplocks, the best IMO, and I have never had a single problem with the DDD system on any of my basses. The loose button problem goes away when playing standing up, but I usually troubleshoot those problems sitting down! It's almost certainly not the problem here, just sharing an example of weird stuff that can happen.
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Yes I am sure it will somewhat odd, somewhat obvious, and most likely slightly embarrassing once we discover what it is.

Thanks guys!
 
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Dinosaur Punk said:
The spring idea seems somewhat intriguing. Unfortunately my bass is now making its way to Long Island City, so I can't check that. :atoz: I did try playing with someone else pressing on the saddles, and the sound still occurred. But maybe we didn't isolate the springs...



In the course of validating the setup, I raised the saddles, and made sure they were level. So I think we can rule that out.



Yes I am sure it will somewhat odd, somewhat obvious, and most likely slightly embarrassing once we discover what it is.

Thanks guys!
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I had a problem with one of my basses similar to this. I found that one of the saddles was vibrating against another one making the rattling noise. I stuck a small piece of paper between them and it went away.
 

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