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Club Sadowsky!!!

Regarding wear and tear on strings, here are a few non-fake facts:

1) The string cores are a hardened steel.
2) Initial installation of the string causes permanent deformation of the core at the bridge saddle.
3) Permanent deformation of hardened steel fundamentally changes the mechanical properties of the core, and that occurs at the bridge witness point.

Regarding the point 3, it is likely that further cyclic strain induced during playing further changes the basic structure of the steel core at the bridge witness point.

All of these aspects add up to changes in the string, which are not recoverable by boiling etc. I don't want to get too deeply into the metallurgy; but if you actually need strings to last longer, you would want to avoid the witness point damage by using a collet type of bridge point, or something like that. The other way to lessen the impact is to increase the distance between the tailpiece and the bridge point, while reducing the break angle. Of course, that also would require a substantially different body profile.

When the damage gets to the point that the string loses 12th fret intonation, the string can not be played in tune any more, and there is no way to correct that for the damaged string.

Other than that, carry on.:)

It's a "true fact" that strings will eventually wear out for mechanical/metallurgical reasons. HOWEVER, they typically wear out much more quickly from sweat/oil/persperation/dirt or whatever you wanna call the gunk that gets in between the windings. So, that's why we are talking about boiling or alcohol, which cleans out the gunk, and coated strings, which prevent the gunk from getting there in the first place (as long as the coating holds up).

I hate that my sweat can kill a brand new set of strings within one gig if conditions are hot/humid enough. It'll happen even if I wash and dry my hands between breaks. Mechanically, the strings are still fine -- they have simply become dirty.



Found this string-cleaning method while surfing the internet: I haven't tried it, but there might be something to it. Same as other cleaning methods it won't work on strings that are mechanically dead, but the author points out that he's performing it on strings that are fairly new but dirty.

 
It's a "true fact" that strings will eventually wear out for mechanical/metallurgical reasons. HOWEVER, they typically wear out much more quickly from sweat/oil/persperation/dirt or whatever you wanna call the gunk that gets in between the windings. So, that's why we are talking about boiling or alcohol, which cleans out the gunk, and coated strings, which prevent the gunk from getting there in the first place (as long as the coating holds up).

I hate that my sweat can kill a brand new set of strings within one gig if conditions are hot/humid enough. It'll happen even if I wash and dry my hands between breaks. Mechanically, the strings are still fine -- they have simply become dirty.
I don't have that problem. I had my thyroid gland burned out by radioactive iodine when I was quite young (but, did NOT turn into Daredevil:greedy:). One of the unfortunate side effects is excessively dry skin. Which is, I suppose, good for bass strings, though not much else. As a result, I have done the experiment of pushing the strings to where the mechanical damage catches up with them. Takes me about 12 - 16 months of regular playing to get there on the G string. For my 4 string, the E gets there sooner, due to the ratcheting with the HipShot and the greater break angle at the saddle.
 
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Okay! Okay! All this chatter about and out pouring of love for Sadowsky basses! So, I finally gave in and bought a used one; a very nice and clean MV5. It's not the Purple one I wanted to get for my beloved wife, but that's a other story.
I installed a new set of Sadowksy strings on it and it played nicely. Then I installed my set of TI Jazz Flats on it, and again, it's a nice playing bass. I don't want to get into which basses I compared it to, but it is a nice playing/sounding bass that balances well and the weight is less than 9 lbs! All good qualities!!
BUT, I'm just not ready to give it all this fanfare, hoopla, and glory that you other owners are giving Sadowsky basses! IJS
So, I'll conclude by saying I'm going to order me a new NYC Satin Series Modern 5'er and continue my Sadowsky evaluation. It's only fair, right? :thumbsup:

Yeah, I got my 2nd one shortly after my first. You are just doing what is normal... :roflmao: :thumbsup:
 
Okay! Okay! All this chatter about and out pouring of love for Sadowsky basses! So, I finally gave in and bought a used one; a very nice and clean MV5. It's not the Purple one I wanted to get for my beloved wife, but that's another story.
I installed a new set of Sadowksy strings on it and it played nicely. Then I installed my set of TI Jazz Flats on it, and again, it's a nice playing bass. I don't want to get into which basses I compared it to, but it is a nice playing/sounding bass that balances well and the weight is less than 9 lbs! All good qualities!!
BUT, I'm just not ready to give it all this fanfare, hoopla, and glory that you other owners are giving Sadowsky basses! IJS
So, I'll conclude by saying I'm going to order me a new NYC Satin Series Modern 5'er and continue my Sadowsky evaluation. It's only fair, right? :thumbsup:
And, (broken record time (lord THERE is an expression that dates me)), you need to get it out on the gig to appreciate what it does. Sadowsky Basses do not tend to make angels sing when you play them at home. Well..., my NYC does, but that's another story. They really come into their own in the mix on the gig; where the perfection generally leaps right out at you. And generally, the sound person as well. IME.
 
Okay, so here is a picture of a 4'er as an example of what my 5'er will look like.

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That is killer! I'm so on the fence about ordering a Satin. I had another bass with a Satin finish and it dulled within a few months where your right arm rests, it also took scratches REAL easily.

How's the finish holding up for you NYC Satin owners? I know they just started this line but I'm curious. The Satin series is more in my reach than the normal NYC line.
 
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I'm not too fond of the finish. Like you said it scratches way too easily. I had a white one and it was like q blank piece of paper.looks nice and I bet over find it'll look awesome but with little toddlers in the house it was a no go fit me
 
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That is one reason I went with the dark placid blue in hope that the finish holds up, but I'm not going to baby it like I do my non-painted basses. So if it wants to develop some 'character' along the way, I'll have to let it and live with it. I played this live CD gig with a guitar player who took a paint brush to his axe and seriously customized it, and I've always been a fan of the colorful graffiti art work, so...
 
So, question... obviously Metro bass are not custom jobs, having fixed options... let's say I am looking for a specific model and finish, say MS5 59 burst... I don't see one at any of the US dealers whose websites I have perused as "in-stock". How would I get a Metro of the specifications I want (not custom but selecting among the Metro available finishes), and how long would it take? Would they have to manufacture one in Japan and send it to me?

Are Metro dealers able, at their option, to discount the price from the Sadowsky list price?

Guess I should also say, if anyone has a Metro MS5 in 59 burst that they would like to sell for a fair price, let me know.
 
6-9 months and you can buy direct. Peter Amos can hook you up.

Just be careful about visiting their site too often or you may be applying the bread to an NYC instead - like I did.

I've always wanted a Sherwood Green Metro JJ5 but never knew you could order direct.

My wallet just ran and hid under the couch. C'mon out boy... I got a treat for ya :roflmao:
 
At least you have a date to look forward to! I don't have that much info on mine! But look out 2018!!! (I have another 3 years for my Wyn build to start!)

You are a patient individual. I would give myself an ulcer with a timeline like that.
 
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IKR - But have you seen those basses?? I had to find and buy a used one and I still got G.A.S. for a custom build! Kind of like what I'm doing in the Sadowsky arena, but I'm hoping for a cure since things are in motion now.
 
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Possibly... but being able to extract money out of my wallet for food for my family almost drowns out any detectable discrepancy...
Ok, but just to put things in perspective--a good set of strings costs less than 1% as much as most Sadowskys. So is it the strings that really have a big impact on the food budget?:D
 
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