Club Sadowsky!!!

[Fran Diaz]

And here is Specs newest "Blackie".

Rob

Rob, thanks! This is the one I was talking about.

 

[Fran Diaz]

I was going to buy the metro PJ and repaint it but I change my mind. Too heavy, 9 lb 10 oz.

I guess I'm back to the drawing board. What I'm looking for is a P-bass really. I have the J-bass thing covert and now I'm thinking why not a couple of P-basses. one in Alder/RW and the other in Ash/maple.

Its really hard to find a NYC v4 in P or PJ with the P-bass Body.

Any thoughts

Order one to your specs.

HI

Wow, that would be a cool piece. Id love a NYC UV Pbass myself. I think they look and feel amazing. Ive had a couple heavier Sadowsky's. One was NAMM #2 metro at 9.25lbs and one of the first UV metros at 8.8lbs. I also bought a used NYC from Oscar Cartaya. It was an anchor!! I sold all of them mostly due to the weight and also because Im completely insane and never keep anything. LOL. Too much fun ordering new Sadowsky's. Good luck, Johnni. I say you just order the NYC. You'll get exactly what you want and you know how good your latest order came out

Rob

I lucked out with mine: solid ash and only 8.4 lbs.
I've finished the recording of the basic tracks for our album and although I had in mind using my J in a couple of tracks I ended up using the PJ for all of them. It was sounding so good that I didn't feel like picking the J. I didn't even remember that I had it there.

So why is there not a Metro P bass? I would think there would be a market for them. Not everyone wants the added J pickup.

One reason might be that typical P players like P width necks and the Hybrids are anly available with J necks. Mine is great and I love the 1.75" neck width. It doesn't feel as chunky as other P necks I've played.

IME, the Sadowsky PJ's don't get the same tone as the straight P basses, even with the VTC.

And that's the tone that I"m after. Like I said, the only reason I would put a J pu on a P bass in for resale value. I play only J bass right now and find myself rolling to the neck pu half the time, playing old 70's funk songs. So if I'm gonna get a P-bass, I want it to sound exactly like a p-bass.

Back in the days, I own a few P-bass and never like them because of the tree trunk neck. But the tone, oh the tone. Especially to record with.

When I ordered my first PJ I asked Kevin if there were any tonal differences between the P pickup on a PJ and the P on a single pickup P; According to him and others at the shop, they did not hear any differences.

 

[Fran Diaz]

I wasn't talking specifically about a Fender, but most straight P basses have a particular tone that you recognize as the P bass tone. Active or passive. I did get to play an NYC P bass a while back and it sounded a LOT more like the P bass tone I hear in my head than the PJ's do. Even with the pickup rolled all the way to the front pickup.

More about the soled P on a PJ tone vs. the tone of a 'straight' P:
Lakland has a very nice audio page for all of their models. Check out the clips for the three P basses available, any given style and string type and tell me if any of you can really hear a different tone on the Dunn and Glaub versus the soloed P pickup on the PJ Glaub.

IMO this is a very good comparative because all the recordings have been done by the same guy and with the same gear.

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[Vic]

More about the soled P on a PJ tone vs. the tone of a 'straight' P:
Lakland has a very nice audio page for all of their models. Check out the clips for the three P basses available, any given style and string type and tell me if any of you can really hear a different tone on the Dunn and Glaub versus the soloed P pickup on the PJ Glaub.

IMO this is a very good comparative because all the recordings have been done by the same guy and with the same gear.

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I definitely think the Glaub P and PJ are the best way to compare this, most likely the same wood combos (tho they don't say). The Dunn is a great sounding bass, but IMHO only confuses the issue for comparison.

At least bouncing back and forth between the web pages with some "ok" headphones, I'm not really hearing a difference. I might hear a difference at home with a better sound system and speakers, and maybe if I download the clips so I can flip back and forth faster, but it sure seems subtle to me... if there is a diff.

Everybody has to make their own choices of course, but if it were me, I'd get the PJ for sure... even if I rarely used the J. The only reason I wouldn't, is if I knew for absolute sure I'd never use it, and/or, as someone else posted, if the physical presence of that J pickup actually bothered me.

 

[Fran Diaz]

Everybody has to make their own choices of course, but if it were me, I'd get the PJ for sure... even if I rarely used the J. The only reason I wouldn't, is if I knew for absolute sure I'd never use it, and/or, as someone else posted, if the physical presence of that J pickup actually bothered me.

big +1.

I love the P tone, but I find it can get a little lost or undefined on busy/heavy mixes and the J adds the clarity needed to be heard better.
I also think that the centered PJ tone is a great rock tone on its own right.

 

[nostatic]

I think a lot of people (myself included) like the *idea* of a certain tone, but then find it lacking when applied in a real situation. I'm not trying to cop any particular sound or feel and end up playing a fairly wide variety of music. While I know the P-bass sound (played guitar with a couple of guys who used P-basses and of course know the classic recordings), it isn't what I usually hear in my head for most thing. The PJ is perfect for sonic schizophrenics like myself who want to be able to swing between tones, but in reality often end up either just panned of center in either direction.

But I'm a heretic - I love the JJ tone when others play it, but I don't really like it when coming from my hands. The PJ otoh just works for me.

 

[Musicfreak1988]

I've been thinking about a PJ for my next bass... All this talk doesn't make it easier . But first things first... I'm currently waiting for exact 7 months and 1 day and it's starting to kill me 'cause I know I'll get that wonderful e-mail from Kevin D. anytime soon now...

 

[johnnydi]

More about the soled P on a PJ tone vs. the tone of a 'straight' P:
Lakland has a very nice audio page for all of their models. Check out the clips for the three P basses available, any given style and string type and tell me if any of you can really hear a different tone on the Dunn and Glaub versus the soloed P pickup on the PJ Glaub.

IMO this is a very good comparative because all the recordings have been done by the same guy and with the same gear.

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Well I have to say its pretty close between the two Glaubs but I don't know if its just me but there is a little dif between the two. Its like the PJ as more bass and is rounder and/or the P as more mid and a tad more sizzle. Almost like the PJ is RW and the P is Maple.

Or I'm completely out of my mind.

 

[nostatic]

I definitely hear a difference in attack and the "roundness" of the notes. The PJ cuts just a bit more and has some clack. But it isn't night and day, and put it in a mix with drums and a few guitars and I doubt you'd be able to really notice.

And I cop to being completely out of my mind.

 

[johnnydi]

But it isn't night and day, and put it in a mix with drums and a few guitars and I doubt you'd be able to really notice.
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+1. In the mix, it rarely make a dif at all. Its when you record that it important to have the right perfect tone to start with.

Here's an exemple of a perfect P-bass tone that makes a dif in a recording.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzyj3Wxhjr4

 

[EagleMoon]

And that's the tone that I"m after. Like I said, the only reason I would put a J pu on a P bass in for resale value. I play only J bass right now and find myself rolling to the neck pu half the time, playing old 70's funk songs. So if I'm gonna get a P-bass, I want it to sound exactly like a p-bass.

Back in the days, I own a few P-bass and never like them because of the tree trunk neck. But the tone, oh the tone. Especially to record with.

This is why I'm seriously thinking about building my own. It's too hard and too expensive to find one that matches my requirements. Thin neck, fairly light weight, good woods, and good electronics that sound like a p-bass should. And no J pickup.

 

[Vic]

+1. In the mix, it rarely make a dif at all. Its when you record that it important to have the right perfect tone to start with.

Here's an exemple of a perfect P-bass tone that makes a dif in a recording.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzyj3Wxhjr4

Never ceases to TICK ME OFF that it seems camera people almost go out of their way to avoid catching the bass player... EVEN in songs like this where the bass part is FOCAL.

ARRRGH!!!!

 

[SteveC]

This is why I'm seriously thinking about building my own. It's too hard and too expensive to find one that matches my requirements. Thin neck, fairly light weight, good woods, and good electronics that sound like a p-bass should. And no J pickup.

Couldn't Mike Lull make a bass like that?

 

[EagleMoon]

Couldn't Mike Lull make a bass like that?

I contacted him awhile back about something similar but I have very little experience with how his basses feel and sound. I love the way my Sadowsky neck and body feel and would hate to throw money at something and it not turn out to be something I like. I'm pretty picky.

 

[SteveC]

I contacted him awhile back about something similar but I have very little experience with how his basses feel and sound. I love the way my Sadowsky neck and body feel and would hate to throw money at something and it not turn out to be something I like. I'm pretty picky.

Sure. Just tossed it out there. Of course, I am not the person to take bass advice from as I can't decide anything. I may sell my Sadowsky and go back to my tried and true BB605. Most would call me crazy.

 

[michele]

And that's the tone that I"m after. Like I said, the only reason I would put a J pu on a P bass in for resale value. I play only J bass right now and find myself rolling to the neck pu half the time, playing old 70's funk songs. So if I'm gonna get a P-bass, I want it to sound exactly like a p-bass.

Back in the days, I own a few P-bass and never like them because of the tree trunk neck. But the tone, oh the tone. Especially to record with.

Do yourself a favour, call the shop and order something like this:

Have you ever eat those scottish cookies called "shortbreads"? They're 95% made out of butter: that will give you an idea of this baby's tone!

 

[Fran Diaz]

Do yourself a favour, call the shop and order something like this:

Have you ever eat those scottish cookies called "shortbreads"? They're 95% made out of butter: that will give you an idea of this baby's tone!

Michele, that's a very sweet looking P. Is it strung with flats?

 

[Sadowsky]

I love the way my Sadowsky neck and body feel and would hate to throw money at something and it not turn out to be something I like. I'm pretty picky.

That is why we have a 7 day approval period!!

Roger

 

[Luckydog]

Was wondering if anyone has added the VTC circuit to an older Sadowsky with the configuration like the photo below. I am curious if added, can the old style active/passive toggle still be used instead of the push/pull pot. I've been thinking about adding it to my 1988.

Sure. I just had it done to my 93 NYC jazz. Toggle still works.

 

[dragonbass]

Was wondering if anyone has added the VTC circuit to an older Sadowsky with the configuration like the photo below. I am curious if added, can the old style active/passive toggle still be used instead of the push/pull pot. I've been thinking about adding it to my 1988.

Hey Classic,

Of course you can keep the Toggle switch. I just did a VTC install on a older standard J5 ("88..I believe) , and left the switch intact. You will end up with a new Stack treble/bass pot, and a new pot for the VTC.

Rob