Lucky man to have two NYC Sadowsky's. There ain't nothin wrong with that!
Nice! Just give me 6-8 months! lol
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Lucky man to have two NYC Sadowsky's. There ain't nothin wrong with that!
Nice! Just give me 6-8 months! lol
*slap*
ouch.
(wondering if that was really necessary)
I'm sorry, that was not meant as a slap. My point was simply that like most other issues here in the forum this is a matter of opinion rather than fact, so we're entitled to agree to disagree.
I don't understand the fuss. I have never complained about the 7 day trial period.... NEVER. To the contrary, I always state that it's generous. All I've done here is disagree with your assertion that 7 days is enough for everyone.
I would never ask or expect more from Roger (or anyone else). This should go without saying, but I'll go ahead and say it anyway: if it takes more that 7 days, it's the buyer's problem, not Roger's.
Nearly all of us in this group know that Sadowsky build quality is second to none, and this should also be apparent to anyone who has purchased without prior experience. However tone and playability are subjective: there is no "best". Sadowskys are a great fit for my hands, so tone remains the tricky issue. I already explained the process I went through with the one Sadowsky that didn't work out. It's not that I *didn't* like the tone... it's just that, after trying a half-dozen different string sets, I realized that I wasn't as happy as I should be for $4K+.
I'll give high props here to the Sadowsky Certified Pre-Owned program: Kevin and the crew make transactions easy for both buyer and seller. Now, the fact remains that less pain would have been inflicted on my wallet had I known within the 7-day period... but after trading one in I bought two more Sadowskys, and now have three keepers, so it's not like I have any complaint at all with the company or the product.
Finally, I am not the only one who (sometimes) needs more than a week. There are two other examples just a few posts back: Chasarms said he's fickle (as many are), which by its nature means that no trial period is a guarantee, and I believe ElMon said that he bought his first few Sadowskys used because he wasn't sure what features he liked and the 7 day period wasn't necessarily long enough for him either.
In that case, I'm very glad to have misread you.
I agree. Wait... that's confusing... LOL!
I guess on the whole eval thing, my general issue is, IMHO(!) it's "moot" (note the quotes) because it pretty much "has to be" enough... because you'll never get more than that, so you pretty much have to come to terms with yourself enough that you can make a purchase decision within the typical 3 day eval, or in Roger's case, the more generous 7.
Does that 100% eliminate risk of eventual decision to flip? To your point (I think), of course not. BUT, there is no "fully assured solution" to that anyway, so that's why I used the word "moot".
Trust me, I know about flipping basses... and some of them were literally to my exact spec, and done impeccably, but still somehow just didn't speak to me enough in the end to go the distance. Just kinda' the way things are when you get pretty discriminating, which I think goes hand-in-hand with being at the high end with instruments, and it's such a personal thing when it matters that much, too.
Anyway, FWIW, I guess.
Well put. The one that didn't work out for me wasn't made-to-order, but was one I'd dreamed about: semi-trans blond over swamp ash, primo flame maple board. To circle back to Paulownia, I'm a lot more curious now that I know it has an alder tonal vibe. From the Google Images link posted awhile back it looks like the grain can vary from nondescript/low contrast to bold ash-like stripes. So, as Charles said, the potential is there to please bassists like us who prefer the tone of alder, but want a nice grain pattern under a trans or semi-trans finish.
Yes, 7 day trial on the Bass and 3 more days to change the strings to Rounds!
Ouch! I love it when you talk dirty.
Actually I was thinking a reward period for good taste. These guys get so little opportunity to build something EXTRA special.
B.
(you're gonna have to cut me some slack on that one)
Joeykun said:Yes, 7 day trial on the Bass and 3 more days to change the strings to Rounds!
I just want to clarify this point.
We all know that the folks at the shop are highly capable. As one might expect, it really only takes about 30-40 minutes to change a bass from flats to rounds and re-tweak everything to spec.
It's just that it takes the bass the extra three days to recover emotionally from the flatwound experience.
Fuzzbass said:
Tone wood on solid body instruments is a myth. I'm having my next bass made from bamboo and recycled cardboard.
I just want to clarify this point.
We all know that the folks at the shop are highly capable. As one might expect, it really only takes about 30-40 minutes to change a bass from flats to rounds and re-tweak everything to spec.
{It's just that it takes the bass the extra three days to recover emotionally from the flatwound experience.}
LOLOLOL. That one's so good that it's goin' on my wall of excellence. I'm just going to let that ride. How can I top THAT! The prize is yours. Pick up the free set of flats at the south exit on the way out.
B.
What with that smokin' WL and the new M9 you are way ahead and should probably be stiffed for the next three Christmases and birthdays.
At least you didn't get a lump of coal. I am certain that you've behaved yourself this year.
wishbass.com... just sayin'...Tone wood on solid body instruments is a myth. I'm having my next bass made from bamboo and recycled cardboard.
Speaking of myths: my three keepers are alder/maple, alder/Brazilian, and alder/ebony. Interestingly, the alder/Brazilian bass is brightest in the top end. Alder/ebony is a close second, followed by alder/maple.
Now that I think of it: I've had the alder/maple bass for 5.5 years (and the frets show it), while the others are barely a month old... and of the new two, I've been playing the ebony bass more often. So this is clear proof that instruments become warmer/more resonant the more you play them.
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Lets get some more photos going! How about this time around we show our Sadowsky necks with those beautiful Birds Eye
or Flamed Maple boards! Even those hot Rosewood grains, Ebony or Roasted Maples. Show 'em if you got 'em!!!
Flamed Maple:
or Flamed Maple boards! Even those hot Rosewood grains, Ebony or Roasted Maples. Show 'em if you got 'em!!!
Flamed Maple:
Woah, really? Wow. Both alder bodies chambered? Same pickups and strings (and string age)? I do think rosewood has a bit more sizzle up high than maple, but I'd never have expected it to have more than ebony. That's interesting!!
Speaking of myths: my three keepers are alder/maple, alder/Brazilian, and alder/ebony. Interestingly, the alder/Brazilian bass is brightest in the top end. Alder/ebony is a close second, followed by alder/maple.
Now that I think of it: I've had the alder/maple bass for 5.5 years (and the frets show it), while the others are barely a month old... and of the new two, I've been playing the ebony bass more often. So this is clear proof that instruments become warmer/more resonant the more you play them.
I have a very similar experience. My Alder/Braz much Brighter then my Ash/Maple. I believe them to be anomalies and not the standard but in a blindfold test I can get anybody to think that when I play the Ash/maple its the Alder/Braz and vice-versa.
It kinda makes you think about the whole wood thing.
Anyone with a Hipshot D-Tuner for a Metro out there? If so, is the string wrap post not as long as the stock ones? You'd figure they'd compensate for the setback of pivoting plate in the design.
Chef
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Both of mine are Metros:
alder/moroado RV5
ash/maple MV5
they both have plenty of bright on tap, but
it seems like the MV5 brightness doesn't extend as high up as the RV5.
counter to what I would have put money on; and interesting to hear that "fer-really" brazilian rosewood is doing the same thing, at least in one instance.
my alder/rosewood alleva sure doesn't have top end like either of the sadowsky's.
alder/moroado RV5
ash/maple MV5
they both have plenty of bright on tap, but
it seems like the MV5 brightness doesn't extend as high up as the RV5.
counter to what I would have put money on; and interesting to hear that "fer-really" brazilian rosewood is doing the same thing, at least in one instance.
my alder/rosewood alleva sure doesn't have top end like either of the sadowsky's.
The truth is, my comment was entirely non-scientific. All three bodies are chambered alder, but I haven't done an A/B/C with identical strings. On top of that, the pickups are different: Blackie has the original Sadowsky P-bass pickup, Red has the Sadowsky P-bass pickup made by Nordstrand (staggered poles), and Whitey has a Nordstrand MM-style pickup.
That said, I am amazed at the top end on the Brazilian-boarded bass: it comes through even with flats or nylon tapes. I won't swear that it's brighter than ebony, but unlike the ebony bass I keep the VTC rolled back 30% or more, depending on the strings installed.
Just for reference, here are the three in question:
And here are the best board pics I have... I need better ones!! The Brazilian board has reddish hues which didn't come through under fluorescent light:
This was taken to show neck wear (which is cool IMO), but the birdseyes come thru pretty well:
Finally... I no longer own the blond bass, but it sure had a purty fretboard!
Well... not to open up this can of worms again
but what the heck. It's common to hear ash and/or maple described as bright while alder and/or rosewood are warm, but my experience with ash/maple versus alder/Braz is the same as yours. Of course it depends on one's definition of "bright": is it actual "tweeterland" treble, or high mids? And to make life more complicated there's that whole "natural tonal variation even within the same wood species" thing: anomalies, unpredictability, what have you. I'm sure Ken Jung and I are not the only ones who have owned "identical twins" that had surprisingly different tones.
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