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Confessions of a Flatwound convert...

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There was a certain hollowness or presence that seemed to be lacking. I have an Ampeg 3PRO and shifted the mid frequencies around and still didn't get as full of a sound with the TIs. I know that's all subjective, but in the end I was surprised that I kept noticing that I wanted to do something to the sound, whereas with the TIs I just played and kept thinking how full and punchy the sound was. I think I'll leave the Chromes on for one more try before putting them on something else and going back to the TIs.

With the TIs I played with a pick briefly and didn't really care for that, but it was when I was fooling around for a few seconds so I wouldn't say you can't "pick" them. I happen to like the lower tension on the TIs, but I play with my fingers not a hammer!

The Chromes seemed to have a little more bass, but that wasn't a problem. The odd thing is as I said, I really like them on my Pbass Hotrod. But it has different stock PUs and maple FB. Who knows, the TIs may not sound good on it!

Currently I have the TIs on a G&L JB-2 (Jazz type bass) and I seem to prefer DA Half-wounds. But I haven't played it out yet with the TIs. Hope that helps a little.

IME Chromes have a pronounced high mids bump that sound better with some basses than other, especially when new. They are very hollow sounding at first, like most flats I've tried, but they seem to fill out as they age. have you tried an old set of Chromes on that bass?

I've heard the TIs have a very pronounced midrange, maybe the Chromes also suffered in direct comparison, too.
 
IME Chromes have a pronounced high mids bump that sound better with some basses than other, especially when new. They are very hollow sounding at first, like most flats I've tried, but they seem to fill out as they age. have you tried an old set of Chromes on that bass?

I've heard the TIs have a very pronounced midrange, maybe the Chromes also suffered in direct comparison, too.

They were indeed new Chromes, and I haven't tried the old set from the Hotrod. I'm glad my perception of the hollowness was not just me. To be fair to the Chromes I do need to let them get more playing time. When the TIs were on it they were new as well--not sure what they will sound like in another month.
 
Yeah, this is long...but hear me out and see if some of this doesn't ring true for some of you...it may sound familiar...

But I can give the public something far more important...a good f'ing time after a long week of work. :bassist:

HELL YEAH!!


Although, I'm not gonna bash the "Bass Monsters" out there, I just don't wanna be them. And, I can't listen to that stuff :hiding:, it's not entertaining to me.

+1 to all this action!

i've been considering flats lately... the only thing holding me back is that Overbreaker's sound is so dialed in that i don't want to change anything about it!

Sundogue: so much of what you said resonates with me and my playing... especially the HARD ROCK part! :bassist:
JEDI BASS: couldn't agree more. :)

sorry to dig all the way back to the beginning of the thread... but i just had to, y'know?
 
Wow i dig these stories a lot of stuff to take in and consider, i believe in the open mind when it comes to decisions on these options, its all about the education through experience especially from the older cats!!... i experimented and got half wounds a while back i kinda like them, but i believe its good to vary and have those options in a case somewhere and then pull it out and re-try it~!.....it was hard for me to see how steve harris got that sound from flats they sure sounded bright .....much props to sun for sharing that story, better then any magazine article!!!
 
+1 to all this action!

i've been considering flats lately... the only thing holding me back is that Overbreaker's sound is so dialed in that i don't want to change anything about it!

Sundogue: so much of what you said resonates with me and my playing... especially the HARD ROCK part! :bassist:
JEDI BASS: couldn't agree more. :)

sorry to dig all the way back to the beginning of the thread... but i just had to, y'know?

You started at the very beginning? :eek: :cool:

It is a long thread...far longer than I ever thought my long-winded posts would even go. ;)

It really is all about experimenting with your sound and to not be afraid to try flats because of preconceived ideas about them.
 
Wow i dig these stories a lot of stuff to take in and consider, i believe in the open mind when it comes to decisions on these options, its all about the education through experience especially from the older cats!!... i experimented and got half wounds a while back i kinda like them, but i believe its good to vary and have those options in a case somewhere and then pull it out and re-try it~!.....it was hard for me to see how steve harris got that sound from flats they sure sounded bright .....much props to sun for sharing that story, better then any magazine article!!!

Thanks. A lot of people contributed an awful lot to this thread. Much to read and mull over.
 
hey folks, i've made a video comparing chromes, fender flats and labella 760fm on a p bass.

click.

I thought you might be interested in the different sounds of those stings.
The Labellas are new to me and I absolutely love them. great feel and even greater tone.

all of my basses have flatwounds (j-bass has galli flats, musicman has chromes - check out my youtube channel), but right now, the p just gets the most attention. :D
 
Nice clip and comparison, pretty much my views, too. I prefer fender flats on a Jazz, more personality, IMO. What guage fenders did you use? I find a huge difference in clarity with the MLs over the ms.

I'm surprised you say in the comments that even the heavy guage LaBellas are light tension! My Jamersons are stiff as telephone cables!
 
hey folks, i've made a video comparing chromes, fender flats and labella 760fm on a p bass.

click.

I thought you might be interested in the different sounds of those stings.
The Labellas are new to me and I absolutely love them. great feel and even greater tone.

all of my basses have flatwounds (j-bass has galli flats, musicman has chromes - check out my youtube channel), but right now, the p just gets the most attention. :D

The La Bellas are the best here....and i love Chromes. I will now put LaBellas on my FL J. That last clip funks the hell out!!!!! Thx!
 
I've tried just about all of the different flatwound strings over the years and my favorites are Labella (the ones that are .049-.109) and Sadowsky. Labella has the real old-school sound for R&B and Blues, the most punch, decay, and not a lot of high end, relatively speaking. The Sadowskys are a little brighter, smoother and more sustaining, but they are still somewhat in the old-school catagory.

I've used Chromes but I find them to be too bright and hard-edged sounding. I don't like the feel of these as much either, they feel stiff. Thomastik's TI flats are an interesting string, but totally different than old-school Labellas. The only bass I really liked them on was a fretless. They are just too light in tension for me to be able to dig in and play the way I want to. Also, they have more of a mid-heavy sustaining sound, and not as much "bump" up front.

I know many players like the newer flats like Chromes and TIs, but to me they're sort of a different animal than "regular" flats. Just my opinion so hold the hate mail. :eek: Other flats that I consider to be "regular" are Fender, Rotosound, and Ernie Ball

Currently I've got Sadowskys on my Fender American Standard Jazz Bass, and LaBellas on my old Tokai Hardpuncher P-Bass. I love them both! The Jazz w/Sadowskys is easier to play and more versatile. The Tokai w/Labellas is the total Jamerson sound, not as versatile, but funky!
 
This thread has given me a lot of food for thought, too, and has sharpened in my mind the real reason I prefer flats for many types of music, both to play and to listen to (for example, my tastes in more 'organic music' run to Brasilian and African , reggae, acoustic jazz, where on the other hand I look for something else as well in rock- the excitement of the high volume, the pure sensation of it coming from it's own new sounds and musical language)

First off, I'm not sure I agree with the premise that rounds sound like a low tuned guitar, and that flats give a more solid bottom, etc. That can be true, but it depends more on EQ, amplification, and how you use them than any great fundamental difference in the strings.

Live, at least, I can get a great big supporting groove going with either, for example, and though different strings can make me play differently, in the end it's up to my choices how I'm going to sound; the string doesn't dictate it. I do prefer in general letting an instrument speak and i use fairly flat EQ, but both types can be used to cover many styles and tones, and do overlap a lot.

Anyway, to my main point.

I have a theory that we respond to the human voice very strongly, and that most melodic and many percussion instruments through different cultures and musical styles imitate the human voice to a greater or lesser degree. It is natural they do so, for many reasons obvious to me, that I won't elaborate here.

The bassists I most admire usually have a very vocal style of note shaping and tones that can sound very human, and voice like. I find it much easier to imitate these sounds with the natural attack and decay of flats, and L + RH, or foam muting can accentuate this even more, not necessarily the same effect as when using rounds. 'Modern' bass tones with their wide frequencies, infinite sustain, etc, owe as much to the advent of the synth, and our ears becoming accustomed to and accepting of less 'natural sounds' than ever before. I'm in no way making a value judgment about whether this is good or bad, it just reflects the way we live and experience things now.

But even the hugely artificial guitar and bass sounds we use now, in the hands of the great artists, tend to end up sounding like variations of human expression, from the wail of a distorted electric guitar, to the way gated and wah-ed synths sound.

The same can be said for many of the arts- where modern art is self referencing and uses modern symbols or shapes and colours to describe the human condition, before it used naturalistic portrayals of nature and humans to make it's point, or made a point simply of that. Same for poetry, and literature, to a degree- what meaning does a poem or story have to us now that uses animals, plants, and seasons to illustrate its meanings, for example, when we have little or no real life knowledge of the same?

So while not denigrating the exciting and fully modern capabilities of a roundwound wearing bass, my preference for the sounds one can get from flats is due to it being in many ways a more 'natural' form of expression, a combination of a drum and a human voice, in a matter of speaking. They can sound more like gut than metal, too, part of the whole musical vibe that stretches back to our ancestors. That is the big difference to my ears and for my purposes.

I hope this hasn't been too obtuse or hard to follow- I have given few examples and have made too many very broad generalizations, but it is a very important part of one of the ways I play bass, and it guides my instrument, string, and amplification choices for some of the music I play, too.
 
Well, I've tinkered around with flats and rounds for the past year or so and would go back and forth on them and I decided to just take the plunge and use flatwounds. I like the tone but was always afraid there might be a time when I would need the extra snap that wouldn't be there. As a compromise, I was using nickel rounds.

Well after trying lots of different brands of flatwounds, I found some flats that work for me. The Ernie Ball flatwounds (exactly the same as D'Addario Chromes as far as I can tell, I have a sneaking suspicion that D'Addario makes these for EB) have the right balance of thump, mids and hi's that I have been looking for. I like the strong fundamental bottom but I also needed some brightness and definition that was lacking among the other brands. I really liked the Sadowsky strings but they were super high tension and had a tapered low B which I just don't prefer.

Anyway, I have joined the flatwound club. I can get the thump and snap with the Ernie Ball/D'Addario Chromes. Thanks to all TB'ers for sharing your experiences. All my basses are now going to be strung with flatwounds.
 
Amen. I used flats back in the late 60s/70s, then couldn't resist the sound of Stanley Clarke and have played rounds ever since. Now I'm in a new oldies band with lots of midrange sound and I've come to the same conclusion you're writing about so well "Low and Simple" is where the power is. It's a blast!

I'm going to go buy some flatwounds tonight. (Anybody still selling "groundwounds"? Maybe I'll inch up on it.)
 
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