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#261
"Despite various publications of results where hand washing reduced mortality to below 1%, Semmelweis's observations conflicted with the established scientific and medical opinions of the time and his ideas were rejected by the medical community. Semmelweis could offer no acceptable scientific explanation for his findings, and some doctors were offended at the suggestion that they should wash their hands and mocked him for it. In 1865, the increasingly outspoken Semmelweis supposedly suffered a nervous breakdown and was treacherously committed to an asylum by his colleague. He died a mere 14 days later, at the age of 47, after being beaten by the guards, from a gangrenous wound on his right hand which might have been caused by the beating. Semmelweis's practice earned widespread acceptance only years after his death, when Louis Pasteur confirmed the germ theory, and Joseph Lister, acting on the French microbiologist's research, practised and operated using hygienic methods, with great success."

Ignaz Semmelweis - Wikipedia

Fare thee well Semmelweis.
 
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#262
GregC said:
1. Hunting for Bambi--a scam bought into by one local Vegas TV station and Fox News (weird, they don't usually go for sensationalistic trash :roflmao: ), and maybe a few others that I couldn't find. A few days later, another Vegas TV station got skeptical, and the story started to fall apart. Within 2 weeks, the organizer of the scam recanted. Not journalism's finest hour, but not a huge deal--just a "news of the weird"-type thing. Hunting for Bambi

2. I don't know how Vegas TV stations operate, but this generalization is just flat-out false. I worked on the print and Internet sides of media (which your post doesn't even address) and the amount of copy provided by PR firms and ad agencies was exactly zero. The same has been true for coworkers who went on to work for Time magazine, the Wall Street Journal, Fortune magazine, and other outlets. It's all been original reporting, and it's all closely edited and fact-checked with the reporters' sources.

Broadcast: I don't watch a lot of TV news, but I've seen all of the local Chicago stations' newscasts numerous times over the years (as well as in other places I visit frequently, such as South Florida, Virginia, Colorado, and New York). They sometimes run stories from their national network, but all are reported by recognized correspondents, not with voice-overs. I really don't know where you are coming up with this stuff.

3. You linked to a news story earlier in this thread, from "rt.com". The headlines had an, er, interesting slant to them. But the site had no evidence of its origins or who runs it. So I Googled it--Russia Today, a "news" outlet funded by the Russian government. Is this the preferred news source of a media expert?:D
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What is true about some local TV newscasts now is that their corporate owners (for example Sinclair Broadcasting) will provide the stations with news or commentary bites produced at the corporate level and which the local stations are told they “must run”. These amount to a couple minutes in a newscast but they stand out as not being “local”. Sinclair stations here got a lot of pushback from viewers because these segments were not identified as coming from Sinclair. The stations now clearly identify these segments as being from Sinclair or one of their “spokespeople”.

Then there are Sinclair-produced shows that stations are required to run. They are not masquerading as locally-produced though.
 
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#264
GregC said:
1. Hunting for Bambi--a scam bought into by one local Vegas TV station and Fox News (weird, they don't usually go for sensationalistic trash :roflmao: ), and maybe a few others that I couldn't find. A few days later, another Vegas TV station got skeptical, and the story started to fall apart. Within 2 weeks, the organizer of the scam recanted. Not journalism's finest hour, but not a huge deal--just a "news of the weird"-type thing. Hunting for Bambi

2. I don't know how Vegas TV stations operate, but this generalization is just flat-out false. I worked on the print and Internet sides of media (which your post doesn't even address) and the amount of copy provided by PR firms and ad agencies was exactly zero. The same has been true for coworkers who went on to work for Time magazine, the Wall Street Journal, Fortune magazine, and other outlets. It's all been original reporting, and it's all closely edited and fact-checked with the reporters' sources.

Broadcast: I don't watch a lot of TV news, but I've seen all of the local Chicago stations' newscasts numerous times over the years (as well as in other places I visit frequently, such as South Florida, Virginia, Colorado, and New York). They sometimes run stories from their national network, but all are reported by recognized correspondents, not with voice-overs. I really don't know where you are coming up with this stuff.

3. You linked to a news story earlier in this thread, from "rt.com". The headlines had an, er, interesting slant to them. But the site had no evidence of its origins or who runs it. So I Googled it--Russia Today, a "news" outlet funded by the Russian government. Is this the preferred news source of a media expert?:D
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Hunting for Bambi was indeed a scam, which I pointed out. I would also like to point out that I was there, and you weren't. Your assessment of what happened is patently false. Hunting for Bambi received massive world wide news coverage including a high degree of coverage in the US media. You must have missed it, including the national nightly news. At times, I indeed have been deeply involved in mass media. Everything I said about them stands. I actually left out most of what I could have said, so as not to violate forum rules.

RT is run by the Russian Government. Everybody knows that. It's the Russian Times! RT often covers material not focused on so much by US mainstream media outlets. I have been personally involved in certain matters covered by RT, so I can say with authority that when it suits their purposes, they can be more accurate than US media. Same as all the rest of them. Factually, RT is as a good a media source as any of them. Can you understand that? Sir, if you only read what you already agree with, you will learn nothing. I listen to, watch and read material from all sources. I just deleted the sentence where this sentence is now.

I will give your comments some more of my time later, but those are my first impressions.
 
#265
Wisebass said:
hi Lagado :)



Take a hot shower! 100 °C should be enough. :D

Pasteurizing is great!!!! :laugh:


Wise(b)ass
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I've tried it in a hot bath a few times, as hot as I can bare anyway. It made sense that if you stressed the thing by trying to put it out of its temperature range and under the cosh, it would leave quicker. Difficult to say if it was effective though, maybe, maybe not. Maybe I was setting it up on the beach.
 
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#266
pcake said:
we don't know how many cases there are. of the people in the nursing home where the disease was first reported, 20 of the residents' test have still not been completed and one came back inconclusive. i haven't seen any reports about the number of staff tested, but 65 are showing symptoms that could be corona or not - apparently even there, we haven't been testing.

Seattle-area nursing home unable to test 65 workers with COVID-19 symptoms

the family members of the residents are in quarantine, but i only know of one family member who tested positive, and considering they aren't testing people with symptoms, i'd guess most haven't been tested.

until we have reliable, available tests, anyone could have the flu, a cold or corona virus. people who end up in the hospital won't know at first if they have pneumonia, severe bronchitis or corona.

considering the low number of tests done in the u.s., i'd say no one knows anything. they're mostly testing symptomatic people, but you can have the virus for up to 14 days without any symptoms including no fever. if we're not testing people who were exposed in advance, they'll all have days or weeks to spread the virus.
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Doesn't matter. None of that matters. A joke about dipsticks hoarding 3 months worth of TP is funny. That's really all I'm saying. :D
 
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#267
J_Bass said:
That's what you think.

Maybe you don't know that your country isn't doing the tests, or is doing in a very small number.

Until two days ago, the US tested 1895 people.

In the UK, in the same time frame they tested 18.000 people.

In South Korea they are doing 10.000 tests a day.

Just so you can have some perspective.
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I don't need perspective to think a joke about people hoarding TP is funny!!!! Even in the midst of a crisis, funny stuff is funny!

There's a scene in a Monty Python movie set during The Plague. There are two people literally wheeling a cart full of corpses down the street yelling "Bring out ya dead!" A family tries to throw out somebody who isn't dead. He has to try to convince them he isn't dead. Literally thousands and thousands of people died from plague. But that scene is funny! A joke is a joke!

I live in Eastern North Carolina. In the last 20 years, we have had two devastating floods. Laye night comedians made jokes about floods, and rednecks looting, and all sorts of things BEFORE the flood waters had even receded. And they were funny. K?

 
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Must be a few days old this report, not new at all, because no mention of New Zealand's cases.
Tom Bomb said:
Coronavirus Update (Live): 116,456 Cases and 4,091 Deaths from COVID-19 Wuhan China Virus Outbreak - Worldometer

Coronavirus Cases:

116,455
view by country

Deaths:

4,091

Recovered:

64,750​

Active Cases

47,614
Currently Infected Patients
41,825 (88%)
in Mild Condition

5,789 (12%)
Serious or Critical

Closed Cases

68,841
Cases which had an outcome:
64,750 (94%)
Recovered / Discharged

4,091 (6%)
Deaths

…
​
Latest Updates

March 10 (GMT):​
  • 1 new case in Cambodia (third in the country): a 65-year-old British woman has tested positive for COVID-19 in Kampong Cham province [source]
  • 419 new cases and 5 new deaths in Spain. Government prohibits direct flights from Italy to Spain. Congress suspends parliamentary activity one week [source] [source]
  • 65 new cases in Sweden [source]. First patient in intensive care reported [[Invalid or Expired Link Removed]]
  • 8 new cases in Romania, all in Bucharest: 3 are related to the case of Gerota, 1 is contact of the first infected in Bucharest, 4 are citizens who have traveled to Israel, Germany and the United Kingdom [source]
  • 12 new cases in Malaysia, bringing the total to 129 [source]
  • 2 new cases in Peru: two brothers, aged 21 and 15, who have recently returned from a trip to Europe [source]
  • 1 new death in the UK: an 89-year old patient at the Watford General Hospital (West Hertfordshire) with underlying health conditions [source]
  • First death in Morocco: an 89-year old woman in Casablanca [Invalid Link Removed]
  • 391 new cases and 5 new deaths in Spain [source]
  • 61 new cases in the Netherlands [source]
  • 3 new cases in Poland [source]
  • 3 new cases in the Czech Republic [source]
  • 6 new cases in Slovenia [source]
  • 3 new cases in Belarus [source]
  • 2 new cases in Azerbaijan [Invalid Link Removed]
  • 881 new cases and 54 new deaths in Iran [[Invalid or Expired Link Removed]]
  • 8 new cases in Israel [source]
  • 4 new cases in Albania [source]
  • 4 new cases in Iceland [source]
  • 2 new cases in Portugal [source]
  • 8 new cases in Indonesia [source]
  • 5 new cases in Brazil [source]
  • 28 new cases in Belgium [source]
  • 1 new death in Switzerland (third in the country): an 80-year-old man in Ticino with other pathologies [Invalid Link Removed]
  • 15 new cases in the UAE: 3 Italians, 2 Emiratis, 2 Sri Lankan, 2 Brits, 2 Indians, 1 from Germany, 1 from South Africa, 1 from Tanzania, and 1 from Iran [source]
  • 3 new cases in Estonia including two adult Tallinners from northern Italy and France [source]
  • 4 new cases in Sweden [source]
  • 2 new cases in North Macedonia [Invalid Link Removed]
  • 1 new case in Poland. All mass events canceled. Poland's president will not hold big election rallies due to coronavirus [source]
  • 1st death in Lebanon: a patient who had returned from Egypt [Invalid Link Removed]
  • 5 new cases in Greece, four of which were in contact with the group of pilgrims from the Peloponnese who had traveled to Israel. 700 schools in the prefectures of Ilia and Achaia in Peloponnese and the island of Zakynthos are closed [source]
  • The Czech Republic closes all schools and events with more than 100 participants. The measure is valid until further notice [source]
  • 2 new cases in Latvia who returned on March 7 from the Italian mountain resort Cervinia [source]
  • 5 new cases in Finland [Invalid Link Removed]
  • 9 new cases in India. Meanwhile, an Indian Air Force aircraft airlifted 58 Indians from Iran to Ghaziabad (about 30 km from Delhi) as the central government started evacuating hundreds of citizens stuck in the country [Invalid Link Removed]
  • 4 new cases in Kuwait: 1 has recently traveled to Iran, 1 is an Egyptian national, contact of a previous case with travel history to Azerbaijan, 2 are Kuwaiti males who recently arrived from Egypt [Invalid Link Removed]
  • 1 new case in Morocco: a French tourist currently hospitalized in Marrakech [Invalid Link Removed]
  • 9 new cases in the Philippines, bringing the total to 33. Previous report was corrected by DOH [source] Only 2,000 test kits available (earlier this week, down from 4,500 previously) for a population of 109 million people [source]
  • 1 new case in Northern Cyprus: a 65-year-old German woman on holiday, part of a group of 30 people from Balingen, Germany who was staying at a hotel in Famagusta. Statistics for Northern Cyprus (which is only recognized by Turkey) are not included in the reports by the internationally-recognized Greek Cypriot government in the island’s south [source] [source]
  • 3 new cases in Thailand, all linked to Italy. A couple: the 46-year-old wife returned from Italy on Feb 28 and did not feel well. Her 47-year-old husband fell sick on Saturday with a high fever and body ache. The other case is a 41-year-old woman who was in close contact with a previously confirmed case who returned from Italy [source]
  • 2 new cases in Finland: both had traveled to northern Italy, with one of the patients having symptoms already during the return flight from Italy [source]
  • 2 new cases in Serbia: two young women in Belgrade who have been in contact with an infected person (who is now abroad) [source]
  • 1st case in Panama [source]
  • 1st case in Mongolia: a French national who traveled to Mongolia from France through Moscow. The government has identified 42 people the patient has met with and another 120 individuals who had close contact with the person [source]
  • United States:
    - 1 new death in Washington (King County): a resident of the Life Care Center [source]
    - 6 new cases in California (Santa Clara County) [Invalid Link Removed]
    - 1 new case in Maryland (Prince George’s County) [[Invalid or Expired Link Removed]]
    - 1 new case in Florida (Volusia County) [source]
    - 2 new cases in Kentucky [Invalid Link Removed]
  • 35 new cases and 1 new death in South Korea [Invalid Link Removed]
  • 19 new cases, 17 new deaths (all in Hubei) and 1,297 new discharges occurred in China on March 9, as reported by the National Health Commission (NHC) of China. [Invalid Link Removed]
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#270
two fingers said:
I don't need perspective to think a joke about people hoarding TP is funny!!!! Even in the midst of a crisis, funny stuff is funny!

There's a scene in a Monty Python movie set during The Plague. There are two people literally wheeling a cart full of corpses down the street yelling "Bring out ya dead!" A family tries to throw out somebody who isn't dead. He has to try to convince them he isn't dead. Literally thousands and thousands of people died from plague. But that scene is funny! A joke is a joke!

I live in Eastern North Carolina. In the last 20 years, we have had two devastating floods. Laye night comedians made jokes about floods, and rednecks looting, and all sorts of things BEFORE the flood waters had even receded. And they were funny. K?

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I agree with you there.

Great example, and good taste, Monty Python are one of the greats!
 
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#272
Tottery said:
To be fair, it has not been in the U.S. long at all. It's spreading pretty quickly. That 800 cases line can quickly change to a 100,000 line and so on.
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And they will spread fast if we keep ridiculing people for thinking beyond their own personal needs and doing what they can to avoid making others sick. That's what bugs me about the TP jokes. They're spreading faster than the virus. Do we really want to make people feel bad about being responsible? I'm sure I hold a minority view here, as with most things.
 
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#273
two fingers said:
And the toilet paper hoarding sign will STILL be funny. ;)
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I bought an estate from a 90 year old woman in the late 80’s. She moved across the US with her son. Lots of cool things and furniture, supplies. I still have stuff to this day from that deal.

She had a very ample supply of TP. She had 100’s of rolls. I think she always bought some every time she went to the store. I’ve always liked have a good supply of TP since then. Nothing wrong with that.
I have a saying that I use to this day. “If I’m buying groceries, I’m buying TP. They kinda go together.
 
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GregC said:
2. I don't know how Vegas TV stations operate, but this generalization is just flat-out false. I worked on the print and Internet sides of media (which your post doesn't even address) and the amount of copy provided by PR firms and ad agencies was exactly zero. The same has been true for coworkers who went on to work for Time magazine, the Wall Street Journal, Fortune magazine, and other outlets. It's all been original reporting, and it's all closely edited and fact-checked with the reporters' sources.
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I suspect the quality of reporting varies with the publication. Here's an interesting read...

The Submarine
 
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