As for "country" I've been digging Colter Wall a lot lately.
My all time favorite "country" artist would be Doc Watson.
My all time favorite "country" artist would be Doc Watson.
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Country and Western
- Thread starter ElectroVibe
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But, but, a lot of classics in the Celtic repertoire have whiskey in them: Whiskey in the Jar, Whiskey Before Breakfast, Give the Fiddler a Dram. And we drive around in the Irish Jaunting Car.
And if you want to take my cargo shorts you are welcome to them.
I just think that what we label Celtic today has such a limited appeal, that I can't picture it being broadly embraced or accepted at any time. And I have always enjoyed it personally.
And when I said British isles I was thinking mainly of Ireland, Scotland and Wales. I wouldn't think that country music would be as popular in England.
And when I said British isles I was thinking mainly of Ireland, Scotland and Wales. I wouldn't think that country music would be as popular in England.
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Born to play both kinds of music:
There was a time, during the earliest settlement in this country especially in the southeast, where it was go Celtic or go home.
So you chose the be not only culturally insensitive (putting it lightly), you also chose to supplant your own (wrong) definition geographically. This just keeps getting better. Lemme go make some popcorn. I'm still not certain if you're trolling or trying to be serious -- it's very difficult to take anything you're saying seriously right now.
If I'm following you, this is basically what you're saying:
In ElectroVibe's world where the British Isles are only Ireland, Scotland, and Wales, Celtic music is now American Country and Western (or vice versa, not sure which you're going for), because supposedly Celtic music has "limited appeal" and C&W is, uh, "more appealing".
Do I have it right?
I'm no scholar on this, but wouldn't it be that people emigrated from the relative isolation of the highlands of Scotland and Ireland, bringing their musical traditions and instruments to the relative isolation of the highlands of Appalachia, so their music thematically, structurally, melodically and harmonically didn't change a lot until it started being marketed to a broader audience with the advent of radio and recording. The "and Western" part was added because you could only attach so much sex-appeal to the hillbilly schtick, so fancy cowboy persona was something especially many of the performers were happy to adopt.
This thread is all over the place ,
Celtic music in the United States - Wikipedia
Country music's roots come from "Americanized interpretations of English, Scottish and Scots-Irish traditional music, shaped by containing vestiges of (19th century) popular song, especially (minstrel songs
Celtic music in the United States - Wikipedia
Country music's roots come from "Americanized interpretations of English, Scottish and Scots-Irish traditional music, shaped by containing vestiges of (19th century) popular song, especially (minstrel songs
There shall be no serious analysis of anything on TB without the genre-trashers and "isim"-accusers first getting their contributions in. 
So much this. It's more like C&W is an evolution or new take on traditional Celtic, not a replacement. Unless one is only keying on popularity as a metric. In that case, the same could be said for rock and blues. Or a ton of other genres.
Well, I dunno, that would seem to imply imply that it's still in the direct line of the development of Celtic music, as if it's referencing itself against of Celtic music--like English thinking of itself as a new take on Old Frisian. I would respectfully suggest that it's not. I would say, rather, that it's a branch off the original tree that has followed its own developmental path since splitting off.
My line when I first met my wife was “Go-go or go home”. Laugh now but it worked.
Tree is a great way of putting it, especially with the idea/theory that almost all* music has a common ancestor.
(Obviously not ALL all, but it's a cool thing to read about)
America was founded by Europeans. The Mayflower arrived in Massachusetts in 1620. The settlers aboard were fleeing religious persecution in England. Their culture was preserved and expanded by other waves of Europeans (many British, Irish, French and German) who came here. The sounds were homogenized and varied across the country based largely on the influences of the predominant culture of the local immigrant's ethnic heritage. More Scottish people in one area produced a different sound than more Irish would and so on. Some styles gained popularity with outsiders quicker than others did resulting in a more defined category of genres. Classical music wasn't as much a part of this as was folk music. Four hundred years later the original styles that constituted what was in those days "pop" and "folk" music are barely recognizable. A visit to Plimouth Patuxet museum in Plymouth, Massachusetts is a great experience for all Americans. Hope this helps.
