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Country Bass, something infuriating!

I don’t understand for the life of me why some people are so threatened when someone else wants to try something different. Sometimes the best way to serve the song is to drag it kicking and screaming out of the 1950’s. You don’t like the way someone else plays country? Don’t listen to it.

Listen to Hank Williams, Sr. Now listen to modern country. Somewhere along the line someone said, “I’m trying something different.” And you can bet that there were lots of people telling them, “It’s not done that way,” “That sucks,” “That will never sell,” blah, blah, blah.

Over on the note for note thread we have a bunch of people saying that everyone HAS to play cover songs note for note or they are lazy, untalented, sloppy, self-absorbed, arrogant, etc., etc., etc. At least over there they say if you want to play your own thing, write your own music. On this thread we have people saying that we have to play it a certain way, not exceptions, if you don’t like it play a telecaster or play jazz. What arrogance!

I don’t hear anyone telling the traditionalists that they can’t do it the way they want. I just hear the traditionalists telling everyone else they HAVE to do it their way. Well, get out of the way or get run over.
 
I don’t understand for the life of me why some people are so threatened when someone else wants to try something different.

One. That which is different is easy to mock, and a person can get a sense of psychological validation when others join in the mockery.

Two. Jealousy that the observer either didn't think of it first or perhaps they did think of it, but didn't have the guts to do it as they knew everyone was going to mock them for doing something different.

And yes, we as a species are still this stupid.
 
Pop country like they play on the radio mostly sucks anyway.

Huge huge country fan here btw. Check out a lot of the older stuff or guys like Wayne Hancock etc.

Western swing bass is played with a lot of......swing. There is a great thread in the double bass Bluegrass forum called " Country Bass Walk" or something like that.

Bluegrass calls largely for a thumping root fifth with some chromatic runs at the chord changes. If you walked it out it wouldn't sound right or fit....most of the time

A lot of music needs a simple bassline. Boring to play I know but it is what the song calls for.

You can't take a march by Sousa and add Flea style slap bass and a 30 minute solo....the bass instrument should simply go thump thump thump thump with proper notes and timing

Yep. Countless songs that are extremely well written, produced, engineered, recorded, mixed, arranged, that stick in your head for weeks on end and sell millions of record. It all sucks... :o :o You sound like that one fat girl singer from the 80's that hates on Taylor or Miranda, etc..

Hell, I listen to Taylor Swift's stuff mostly because of the fact Tim Marks plays on almost all her stuff. Tully (of Jason Aldean) and Mark both lurk on here and both are flat out monster players. I actually get sh!it in some of my rock bands bc I subconsciously bust out lots of country-influenced runs or walks 'n stuff lol.

Don't hate, just bc you can't get the gig or write anything anyone cares to listen to. :hmm: Maybe djent is more your thing...................
 
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People like to listen to music and dance... have since the beginning of time. Don't go and **** that up by thinking you are special...

There is an art to playing in a band, and It's a lot harder and requires a lot more skill that just being an awesome player on your own.
+1.

When you play a session, when you're hired to make a record, you go in to play IN THE STYLE of the artist. To SUPPORT the artist and the song with your tracks. I just do small-time sessions, and I wouldn't DREAM of playing something on a track that was designed to show off what I can do. That's the mark of a rank amateur.
+1.

To my ears, 'New' Country sounds a lot like 70's country-rock - just slick, shiny and processed, and with better hats and hotties.
+1, nothing wrong with THAT! :D
 
(wow...I'm gonna get flamed like mad for this........oh well....)
Personally, I really can't stand much if anything by the afore mentioned Waylon, Hank Williams (Sr or Jr) and the like (or classic country).
Do I respect what was done and how it's played etc?
Sure. I just really have zero desire or want to play any of it or listen to it much any more.
And before anyone gets all uppity and pissy, yes I have played it.
I would rather play newer ala' Keith Urban and Jason Aldean by example these days. I'm just a little burned out on older stuff.
 
I Love Country Bass it is What i Do now. Teddy Gentry of Alabama Really Started It, Keith Urban, Montgomery Gentry, Jason Aldean, Timothy B. Schmit of The Eagles, Dierks Bentley, Travis Tritt.These Covers Keep Me Happy/Busy/attentive. I Play What The Song calls For. Maybe a Little of my own Flare here and There But Never Upset The Melody of The Song.
 
Back on topic, I thought of an analogy for the simple groove vs "stretching out" issue.

Let's say you're an artist and craftsman who works in stone. Stone is your medium. You can carve beautiful statues, expressive works that demonstrate your artistic weight and vision in every facet and curve. As an artisan, you can also build walls and steps and foundations that are straight and solid and strong enough to last for generations - and beautiful in their own way, despite their simplicity.

So let's say I hire you to carve a statue of a loved one out of marble. I certainly wouldn't want it to look like the retaining wall beside my house. Similarly, if I hire you to build a stone foundation for a new house, I wouldn't want it to have the same kinds of expressive details as the statue you carved. I want a straight, level, solid foundation.

As musicians, we work all our lives to develop our ears, our chops, and our technical skills. Improvement and growth are usually achieved by continually reaching for that next bit of music that's difficult for us, working at it 'til it's well in hand, then moving on to the next bit. That progression almost always involves music that's more complicated and/or technically challenging. At a certain point, many musicians come to resent the fact that great numbers of listeners - "civilians" - don't see as much value in the complex and technically challenging things as we do. We love that music because we know what it takes to conceive and play it. But they don't look for the same thing when they listen. They want to be entertained, and far fewer listeners are entertained by hearing a musician challenge himself than are satisfied by something they can dance to, or relate to in other ways.

Somewhere along the line, each musician finds a place that satisfies him as an artist, or craftsman, or both. Maybe you play only jazz, or shreddy rock. And maybe you become an icon in your chosen style, or you spend your time happily playing to and for yourself. If you're happy, great! Maybe you don't dig the complicated stuff, and your big thrill is banging out endless streams of eighth-note low E's in a rock band. Good for you. Many or most find a balance of expressive artistic pursuits and craft-work playing - which can also be done at a very high level, but is not as individually expressive or, typically, as complex or technically demanding. This is especially true for bassists, due to the instrument's role in many styles. The only ones I feel sorry for are those who never grow past the idea that it's about impressing others with what you can do technically. They're missing out on a lot, IMHO.

Today I did a rehearsal for road shows with the latest iteration of the Burritos. I played a LOT of half notes, and not a single major 7th. (Well, actually, there are a couple lines in one of the minor tunes that contain major 7ths...) And I had a BALL. Great players. Tomorrow I'll start charting out some TOP horn parts (I'm a trumpet player too) for a thing next week. There will be a fair amount of soloing. I can't imagine plugging in parts from one of those gigs into the other. It wouldn't serve the style. I love that. I love the diversity, and I love the strengths of each of the styles. I like carving statues, and I like building nice, solid walls.

+1
 
Check out Terri Clark's "Better Things to Do" or her remake of "Poor Poor Pitiful Me".
The bass in both of these is rock solid grooving.

Forgive me Linda but Terri just smokes ya on P.P.P.M.
 
(wow...I'm gonna get flamed like mad for this........oh well....)
Personally, I really can't stand much if anything by the afore mentioned Waylon, Hank Williams (Sr or Jr) and the like (or classic country).
Do I respect what was done and how it's played etc?
Sure. I just really have zero desire or want to play any of it or listen to it much any more.
And before anyone gets all uppity and pissy, yes I have played it.
I would rather play newer ala' Keith Urban and Jason Aldean by example these days. I'm just a little burned out on older stuff.

I can understand your view and don't have a bad thing to say about it. I played old school country for so long, I got bored with the simplicity of it and switched to playing lead for several years. I started really missing playing bass and recently switched back. Now I can dig even when I have to play the simple stuff for the song because I can listen to everything as I play and hear how good it sounds as a whole. I really get into it when I lock in with a good drummer even if it is just root/fifth parts on old Waylon, Merle, etc.

I do occasionally throw in licks and add my own little funk to the country mix, but try to make sure it is within the idea of just enhancing the song. I get complements from old school and young country guys alike, so I guess I'm doing alright for now.
 
Boof... you are the man!

Listen to Emmylou Harris and the Hot Band playing Cést La Vie. Emery Gordy Jr nails it! As he does with anything he played on. He had the knack of lulling the listener into a nice comfortable groove, then at exactly the right moment he'd throw in a killer lick that said "whoa! " And when you go back and listen to it again you realise that the lick was absolutely vital to the success of the song.
IME, the Hot Band in it's different incarnations was the quintessential kick-arse country band.
Other guys that worked with Emmylou at different times that do it for me were of course Lee Sklar (whom I had the pleasure of meeting at NAMM a few years back) and the late Roy Husky Jr.
 
Boof..you are the man. I have been playing bass for 25 years and live music for 40 years. Frankly, this past year I landed my first country gig. I used to laugh at country players but I am here to tell you that it ain't as simple as it looks. I have found a home and all of my past music experiences are contributing to this gig. No, its not all about the 1-5. It's about the touch and feel you experience with the 1-5. It's about the timing, the groove, the tone, the beat. I never realized how important and up front the bass was in country music. Face it guys, you can walk off stage during a heavy metal gig and most folks wouldn't realize it. Walk off stage during a country gig and the train wrecks. I love the genre...King George is the man..
 
The 'feel' and the difficulty in nailing it was brought home to me during the last set of BG lessons I took (about eight years ago now). My teacher was working on my technique and had me playing a couple of Johnny Cash tunes. Sit with a metronome and try to get the push-pull just right... It's not so easy once your really burrow down into it. Every rehearsal I have with the alt-country band I'm constantly readjusting to the vocal phrasing and the drums trying to stay in the sweet spot. It's a lot of fun, actually.
 
Short course on country feel...Family tradition Hank Jr. The bass is dead simple but the feel is the deal. Just that old two beat boom tick boom tick but it's hard to nail it without some experience under your belt. Knocks me out whenever I hear it.