Cover band questions.

[Turtle71]

Warning, potentially long read…

OK, so I’m looking for some input or suggestions here from those that are in successful gigging cover bands (obviously pre Covid), and I “think” this is the correct place to post this thread, if not, please move it Mods, Thanks!

So, I’m seriously thinking about joining an established cover band, I’ve thought about it multiple times over the years, but at this point in my life, I kinda want to hang up the “originals” hat, and put on the “covers” hat, I haven’t decided on style yet, Pop?, Country?, Classic Rock?, Variety etc…

So, how would/should I approach this, I’m not really looking for song suggestions per se (though song suggestions that any self-respecting cover bassist should know are welcomed).

I’m more looking for advice on what I can do personally as a bassist to make myself more appealing to a band looking for a full time bassist…What are they (you) looking for?

I’ve already got the work ethic, 25+ years of playing/gigging/recording experience (original bands only), multiple gigging rigs for any sized stages & basses for whatever style I choose, and obviously reliable transportation, but l could come up short on “chops” depending on the style. (I’ll cross that bridge when I get there)

So, suggestions? Advice? Words of wisdom or precaution?

Thanks!!

 

[Joe Nerve]

I'll have a go at this.

First and most importantly, IMO, is identify (as best you can) your priorities and goals. Do you want to make money? Have fun? Make new friends? Play as much as possible? Play in front of as many people as possible? Play lots of different music? Have a laid back fun playing experience, with a few beers and friends? Go as far as you can go with a band? Do you want to rehearse more, or gig more? How much time are you willing to invest? How long do you want to rehearse before gigging? Do you want to rehearse at all (many bands don't). And whatever other questions like this you can answer for yourself. The more you know about what you want, the easier it'll make it for you to get along with your new bandmates. The more you know about where you're willing to bend a bit helps lots, too.

Second, I'd start learning as many covers as possible - and start with the basics if you don't already know them. You can ask here, or search as I'm sure its been done already. It'll give you practice in learning songs (we get much quicker at it over time), and give you a starting point. Yes, Sweet Home Alabama is on that list , but played correctly it ain't the hell that most make it out to be. Its a really cool song to play.

Third, just get out there, however you can, and be careful regarding commitments. The best way, IMO, to get into the best situations, is by playing with as many people as possible. I've always played in multiple bands and succeeded at it by being good about commitments. I honored my calendar and whatever gigs went down on it first were the ones I played. Took some heavy hits doing that, but its essential to holding onto the respect of others.

And finally, until I think of more , be as pleasant, professional and agreeable as possible with others, if jumping into their band. Most cover bands aren't looking for someone with great ideas to push their band forward. They want someone who is easy to get along with, learns the material, and shows up on time. People want to not have to think about you at all, not have to give you reminders, and not have to HOPE you learned the songs for the upcoming rehearsal or gig. Being dependable will get you recommended, but I think you already know that as you have the experience.

Hope that helps some.

 

[lfmn16]

Usually I recommend a list of questions to ask before you audition, but since you've never played in a cover band, I'd go on as many auditions as possible. Also, since you aren't sure what genre you are interested in, I'd just go on whatever is available. As it becomes more clear what you are looking for, you should start screening, but initially, it's probably beneficial to see the good, the bad and the ugly.

To make yourself appealing, just show up on time, prepared, with professional equipment in good repair, and don't be a jerk. That alone would put you in the top 10% (or higher) of candidates. I auditioned bass players for a Rockabilly band, gave them 10 songs, pick any five, mostly twelve bar progressions. Only one or two people showed up knowing 5 songs. Some of them couldn't even follow a simple I, IV, V.

I got my current guitar gig because I showed up on time, prepared, knew all the songs they asked me to learn (10), didn't complain about transposing keys, didn't play too loud, didn't step on the singer's toes, listened to the rest of the band and fit my parts in to what was already there. It's really simple, but so few people have the discipline to do it. I get gigs over better players because I'm a solution, not a problem; I'm one less thing they have to worry about.

 

[DirtDog]

Demonstrate how quickly you can learn a repertoire and fit in. In an established band, resist the urge to come in with all kinds of suggestions for change until you’ve had time to gel with the other members. Also resist the urge to get “overly creative” with your parts - unless the band themselves want to exploit that angle as a whole. That *may* apply to your gear and tone choices as well. Bring the gear to fit the gig. Also reqlize that the booker/client is “the boss” and they’ve hired you to provide a service. If you don’t have a service-oriented mentality, you might struggle.

Once you’ve figured out the genre and found a band that fits your expectations, focus on musicianship, bandsmanship and showmanship in equal quantities.

 

[sawzalot]

Determine what kind of situation you're looking for--how often do you want to gig, how far do you want to travel, etc. Audition, keeping in mind you are auditioning them as much as they are auditioning you. Be prepared for that audition--ask what songs they want to go through and learn them in advance. Jam with them, get a sense of how they are musically, and then decide. It's three things: The music, the money and the hang. If you get two out of three the situation will work. One out of three or less--cross them off and move on.

 

[AceOfBassFace]

Just some random tips:

Go to as many auditions as you can. Probably 1 out of 5 might be an actual decent band so don't get discouraged if they stink. I've been to countless auditions where I'm the only who bothered to learn the material. If you have connections in the biz then use those for sure - this will get you farther, faster than looking for Craigslist ads. Those can work out sometimes though if you get lucky – I met my current band by answering a CL ad and they're really great musicians and guys.

Before you audition, make sure you're on the same page with the band in regards to the material, rehearsal & gig frequency and locations, stance on drinking and cannabis use etc., so as to not waste anyone's time. Many BL's love to chat about music and influences, and a casual conversation about that stuff can help you get an idea of their personality. Ask about the other players.

The cover bands I've auditioned for in the past usually want to play 5-10 songs with them.

Give yourself enough time to learn the songs as well as you can – and try to memorize as much as possible. A cheat sheet with keys etc should be fine.

Show up on time or a bit early, 100% prepared, well-dressed (as it relates to the style of band), and sober.

Unless you're joining a Yes tribute band, your chops are likely good enough to play most standard cover band stuff. Truly 90% of standard bar cover songs are super-easy on bass.

Good luck!

 

[SoCal80s]

what I can do personally as a bassist to make myself more appealing to a band looking for a full time bassist…What are they (you) looking for?

Thanks!!

First, you gotta have the gear. Some bands might have a good PA that you can go direct to, but some won't and you have to be ready for both. You need a DI box and a good amp and cab that can carry the room.

Next, you need to make a demo video. I ignore all ad responses that don't have a link to a video. You playing with old bands is OK, but even better is something where the bass is clearly heard above the other instruments (you can play over backing tracks, but put the bass on top of the mix). Also, dress for the part. Looks don't matter as much for a cover band, but you need to look like you match the musical style.

Also, you have to be able to learn songs by several artists quickly. Start now by learning the standards from your chosen genre, but have a plan for how you're going to learn the other songs that bands will play. I suggest finding a good source of tabs or sheet music. Then, you have to memorize them. I usually listen to the original recording over and over all day so I can memorize the form of the song (how many verses, where's the break, etc.)

Another thing, follow all directions on the ads you see. I usually tell people how to contact me and what to send me on first contact. If they don't follow the directions I ignore them.

You will get an audition by saying the right things on your first phone call or email. So have your pitch polished. Then, you win the audition not just by your playing but by showing that you are prepared. Show up on time with all the gear you'll need (always bring an amp, you can leave it in your car if not needed but bring it), and know the songs cold (make sure you know what songs they want you to play at the audition). If you have a choice of basses, bring the one that looks best for that genre. You WILL be judged by the look of your bass. Good backing vocals (harmonies) are a BIG plus.

Finally, network! Meet all the musicians you can and let them know you are available for anything. Word of mouth will get you the best gigs.

 

[fretlessbass]

My first piece of advice: Be adventurous—check out playing opportunities outside the genres on which you usually focus; you’ll always pick up new ways of playing that you can apply elsewhere.
I moved across country seven years ago, and made it a point to play entirely different types of gigs, including playing lots of music that I might not otherwise go home and listen to—ever!
As a result, I’ve had more fun as a musician than ever before: Being a bass player affords you a wealth of opportunities you might not have with some other instruments.

You can’t go wrong with country, at least at the more traditional end:
There’s always a demand, as its appeal is cross-generational; I’ve found the gigs to be far less stressful than most other genres; the material’s easy to learn; the audiences are always appreciative; it’s generally not as loud...and last but not least, the gigs tend to be earlier, since the crowds skew older.

If you read notated music, and have black clothes(!), you might check into musical theater: the gigs pay about the same as bar gigs, but are much more low key; the emphasis is on professionalism, rather than stage personality; I really enjoy the camaraderie of working with not only musicians, but actors and stage crew as well.

 

[BSatt]

All great replies and advice above.

My two pennies...

You state you want to join an established cover band. That means they will already know 4,5,6 hours of material. That puts you at the bottom of a steep learning curve. Start learning songs now.

When I have looked for possible band members (for working cover bands), I want someone who already knows the material. I want someone who has played it for years and can hit the ground running. I can't have/pay the band to rehearse songs we've been doing for years. The new person should know all/most of the material and be an easy fill in.

Also, IMO, being in multiple bands is a good thing. As long as you can work a calendar and stay true to your word, multiple musical situations have a flattening effect to the drama you feel for any one situation. Also, if you enjoy a variety of genres, being in musically diverse situations can scratch a few musical itches.

Another possibility is you might start out at being a sub player for a few bands.

 

[Bullitt5135]

Create a profile on Bandmix (there's a recent thread on TB discussing pros & cons). Be honest about your skills and what you are looking for in a band. Include photos, videos, and/or audio if possible. Pay the modest membership fee for a few months so you can message other members. Have some business cards made up in case you meet somebody worth sharing your contact info with.

I really dislike talking on the phone, but I've learned the hard way that it's an important part of vetting prospective bands/bandmates. Things get lost in the translation with email and text mesages. Pay attention to red flags, and trust your instincts.

If I could stomach the music/genre, I'd seriously think about joining a country band. It seems like it's easier to find a country gig vs a classic rock gig these days, and that crowd seems to be a fun, party crowd. Above all, be honest with yourself about what you want to get out of it and what you expect out of your bandmates.

On a personal note...I recently joined a new classic rock cover band. I've pretty much given up on the thought of having a top-notch bar band that's getting great gigs all the time. I'm content with finding some cool people that I respect and like to spend time with making music. I'm OK with being in a mediocre backyard BBQ band, playing a couple of sets, and just having fun (with no expectations of getting rich). There are some things about this band that fall short for me musically, but I'm willing to accept those faults because, so far, it's all fun and no hassle.

 

[Blackjac97]

Not asking this to be mean/harsh or anything, but how is your ear? I have gigged 95% cover bands. What always helped me was being able know the song that we were playing, from the radio or wherever, and take that general idea of the song and play a convincing bass line.

Once you get your genre nailed down, just spend some time listening on the radio, or spotify, wherever, and just no pressure listen to the music and take it in.

 

[JonathanPDX]

Do some research and find out who the top cover bands are in your area. Call around, ask on social media, or just watch event listings. At this time of year you might find events in parks or other public spaces that cater to popular cover bands.

Take a notepad and go watch them perform. Write down their songs list and learn everything on it. Some bands even put their song list on their website. Learn a ton of songs, take notes, or if you need charts, make your own notebook of just charts for common cover tunes.

When you're ready to go in for an audition ask for a song list. It helps a lot to say "I reviewed your song list and I already know X songs on it. Here are a few of my favorites that we could play when we meet, and here's the full list if you want to call some out."

 

[AGCurry]

... I haven’t decided on style yet, Pop?, Country?, Classic Rock?, Variety etc…

Well, what do you like best? Yeah, you may be able to play in all those categories, but what do you really WANT to play? I think figuring that out is the first step if you want to be happy doing it for a long while.

 

[mrcbass]

Yes to most everything above. I'll add a few things.

Get yourself a routine for learning material. That's the first thing you'll need to do when you answer ads for auditions. You'll also need to figure out if you want to be a "note-for-note" kind of player or a "make-it-work" kind of player. I tend to be the latter; most of the time, I like to put my spin on a song. I always support the groove, but will often write my own lines. I think exactly once did some tell me that what I was doing wasn't working so I adjusted. Most never even know. Each method has their place. One reason I like to make it my own is that it easily allows for whatever spin the band may put on it or in some cases, I may covering some parts that the band doesn't have an instrument for. If you're gong to go down a tribute band route, you'll probably need to do the "note-for-note" thing. But be true to yourself; don't sign on for something that you won't enjoy.

If you just want to start leaning tunes, turn on the radio (or Pandora or Spotify or ???) to a station that plays the kind of music you'd want to cover. And start learning the songs that cone up. I find that having basic charts is a huge deal. It allows for easy recall of something I worked out long ago.

Remember that you are also auditioning them. Since you're new to the cover band scene, you won't know all the things that tend to bug you about them, but you can still get a feel if these people are people you want to play with. Are they organized? Are they partiers first, musicians second? Do they rehearse a lot or maybe not at all? Are they in a location that is suitable for regular commutes? How often do they gig and what quality of gigs are they? What's the money? Etc. After you have done a few auditions, you'll be able to get more and more questions answered up front - before you even go through the effort of auditioning.

You will need to have flexible gear options. Some bands will run you through the PA. This means you don't need a huge stack that will supply the bass for the whole house. I've done it without even having an amp on stage (so nice!). Some bands are not this sophisticated, and you'll need to provide all the amp needed. I'm currently working with two different bands; one is through the PA, the other is not. I like to know how the band manages this before I even sign on. For this old man, lighter gear is better. I use nothing that I can;t lift and carry with one hand. There are affordable options for pretty lightweight giggable gear. For me, having backups of everything is important If nothing else, it helps me keep my GAS in check knowing that I might need to buy two of something if it makes a gig appearance.

One of the posters above me mentioned that subbing may be an avenue. I'd disagree with this as a place to start. After you've been in a couple of bands, you'll have a few advantages to help you get into the sub world. You'll know how bands function and you'll have a bit of a catalog under your belt. The hardest thing about subbing is that you often have to learn a lot of songs and may not even get to rehears with them. I would have found this very uncomfortable had I tried it before having been in a couple of gigging bands. YMMV Subbing can be a fun thing once you're ready for it.

The genre thing can be tricky. I've found that it pays to try to be flexible in what genres you will cover. I learned a few years back that just because I don't enjoy listening to a genre, doesn't mean it's not fun to play. There are a few that I just won't do, but the "no" list has gotten way smaller than I ever would have guessed. And the more genres you can cover, the more options you'll have. I'm liking the variety band that I just signed on with. It's nice to play many genres in one show; my last band was a bit of a one trick pony and it got a little old. We did it pretty well, but it was all the same sound.

I fully agree with the mentions of not coming in and trying to change things. This is one situation that it is good to try to part of the collective. Get in, hang on, learn their stuff and get a feel for what's going on. Eventually, you should be able to suggest things, but if you feel the need to start suggesting changes on day one, this band is probably not a good fit for you.

For the most part, the "bass" part of being in a band is the easy part. The hard part is dealing with all the flay personalities out there. And it is very much like being married to 3 or 4 people. I always look for a "family" atmosphere; we become friends and enjoy hanging out. We may or may not do other things besides band together. That may not be what you want. Just keep in mind that the social aspect of the band can be as important as the music. Just because they hang out doesn't mean you have to. But it will keep you a bit on the outside.

Good luck, have fun!

 

[TheReceder]

Don't settle.

Nothing worse than realizing 3 months into a project that you've only got 1 of 3 boxes checked.
My guess is that you've been around the block enough to know what the the three boxes are.

 

[hedshovel]

In my experience... being a solid bass player is only a portion of what a pro-level gigging band is looking for in a full time member. Vocals are a big bonus along with being able to play another instrument. You must have stage presence as well, look good on stage, engage with the audience and draw them in. Be at rehearsal on time and know your parts. Don't be a confrontational ass.
I'm a hack of a bass player, but I have these other qualities and that keeps me in demand with some of the bands I play in. I may not play some of the more complicated bass lines as they are written, but I can play a solid simplified version and still do the rest of the performance, nobody, not even the band notices. It's the sum of all things that makes a great act.

 

[DoctorZee]

Such great advice here. Go for it! I’ll throw out one possible alternate route: rather than joining an existing band, consider starting your own.

Good working bands do not need to take a chance on a replacement or sub who has no cover band experience. They have other options. Sorry! I was in the same boat as you a few years ago.

By starting your own band, not only will you build that resume, but you’ll also learn first hand how the cover scene works in your area. Who are the big fish? Who are the agents and bookers? What are the good venues and the bad? Most importantly, how do you need to prepare yourself for the gigs? It will be tough, but you’ll become a more attractive and valuable band member down the road, should you want to move on your start-up and seek other opportunities.

 

[Paul Corrosion]

As well as all the other good advice, networking has been mentioned. If you have any local open mic or jam nights, get yourself along to them. If your area is like mine, you'll find most of the people you'll end up auditioning for at them. Go along; you'll meet and get to know your local group of musicians and you'll get some different experience playing all sorts of music, originals and covers.

 

[arbiterusa]

Learn everything. Some bands will occasionally decide to do something that’s not on the set list. Some bands will do that all the time. So, know your genre.

Also, be able to transpose on the fly. We have a guy who occasionally sits in, and when he does, whatever he calls is going to be in “A”. Even if the original is no where near that.

Flexibility and a good attitude are a must. So is the ability to at least sing backing vocals. If you can sing lead all the better.

 

[MisterFabulous]

I second starting your own band. Do you have a decent practice space? PA? Those really help. If not, work together with one other musician and get a band started. Why wait for someone to notice your talent?