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#141
Korladis said:
Usually the kind of person who rants about "snowflakes" also tends to be low-key (or sometimes explicitly) bigoted.
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I think you pretty much proved the CL poster's point of the ad right there in one sentence. Nice job!



Korladis said:
Indeed. Let alone before you actually join. Imagine not knowing, and then at a gig this guy goes on a rant on the mic?
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So you, as a member of this band, would have an issue with the person on the mic "going on a rant"? Assuming it was a viewpoint you did not agree with?

And if this "rant" happened, what would you, as the bass player, do? Make a scene? Quit? Take the mic in a counter rant?

Again, demonstrating "The WHY" the CL Poster put this in his ad.
 
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#142
Joe Nerve said:
I agree. I think they're very clear about who they are and who they're looking for. If someone is offended by the use of the word snowflake, they won't answer the ad. Great way to weed people out.
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electracoyote said:
Not in my experience. A person using the term "snowflake" is referring to something that has nothing to do with bigotry or racism whatsoever, and overgeneralizing is not fair or accurate.

It's really a shame how the term "racism" got so maligned and loosely and inaccurately re-defined. It used to mean something profound to people across many boundaries. Nowadays, it's almost like "the sky is falling" or "Wolf!" And that makes me very sad, because there is real racism out there, but people are becoming immune, hardened, and wary due to the common knee-jerk misuse of the word.

I hope someday we'll resist calling everything and everyone a racist so we can really identify and tackle the problem.
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I don't think anybody is offended by them using the term "snowflake", I certainly wasn't, but it speaks to a certain type of person. As I said in my initial post, the term is primarily used by two groups. One is the old generation. This is to be expected as every generation laments every other one, "snowflake" is the "hippie" of today. The other group that uses "snowflake" to describe people tends to be people who like to "other". As in "they" do things differently than "us" so "they" are wrong. Snowflake isn't racist but it speaks to somebody who "others", which is a sign of bigotry. I suppose it is still a great way to weed out the type of people you aren't looking for... like tolerant people.
 
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#143
Except for the politics, that ad doesn't seem bad to me. They're looking for an experienced bass player who can be dedicated to the band.

For those saying they shouldn't need Craig's List, maybe they're desperate because they can't find a bass player like the ad stated.

Edit: Just because someone doesn't like dirty jokes doesn't mean they're automatically a liberal. I'm guessing these guys also wouldn't want someone who is devoutly religious.
 
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electracoyote said:
Not in my experience. A person using the term "snowflake" is referring to something that has nothing to do with bigotry or racism whatsoever.

It's really a shame how the term "racism" got so maligned and loosely and inaccurately re-defined. It used to mean something profound to people across many boundaries. Nowadays, it's almost like "the sky is falling" or "Wolf!" And that makes me very sad, because there is real racism out there, but people are becoming immune and hardened due to the misuse of the word.

I hope someday we'll resist calling everything and everyone a racist so we can really identify and tackle the problem.
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In my experience basically everyone who rants about "special snowflakes" goes on to say something pretty bigoted at some other point. Usually they're unaware that they're bigoted and would deny being such. Not like "let's go burn a cross on their yard," level of racist, but more like "you know how those people are" (in reference to someone who looks different than they do) racism.

I disagree with you that this is a misuse. Because while there is racism of the KKK and neo-nazi variety out there, where they're very explicit about hating people, it's really not the biggest problem with racism. There are not that many of those compared to the number of people who would deny being racist, but still do and say things that are actually pretty bigoted. They usually don't even know it.

The dudes who rant about "special snowflakes" are usually the ones who, after saying something racist that they didn't really realize was racist, got called out on it by someone who it was racist to, and then because in our vernacular "racist" seems to denote a monstrous cross-burning bogeyman, doubled down on what they said or did, and denied the accusation because they can't admit messing up.
 
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DiabolusInMusic said:
I don't think anybody is offended by them using the term "snowflake", I certainly wasn't, but it speaks to a certain type of person. As I said in my initial post, the term is primarily used by two groups. One is the old generation. This is to be expected as every generation laments every other one, "snowflake" is the "hippie" of today. The other group that uses "snowflake" to describe people tends to be people who like to "other". As in "they" do things differently than "us" so "they" are wrong. Snowflake isn't racist but it speaks to somebody who "others", which is a sign of bigotry. I suppose it is still a great way to weed out the type of people you aren't looking for... like tolerant people.
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Precisely.
 
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mp40smg said:
I think you pretty much proved the CL poster's point of the ad right there in one sentence. Nice job!





So you, as a member of this band, would have an issue with the person on the mic "going on a rant"? Assuming it was a viewpoint you did not agree with?

And if this "rant" happened, what would you, as the bass player, do? Make a scene? Quit? Take the mic in a counter rant?

Again, demonstrating "The WHY" the CL Poster put this in his ad.
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Yeah, actually, I would. Because if you're the person with the microphone, you're representing the whole band. If we disagree on politics, that's fine. Just don't bring it up. Especially not at a gig, on the mic.

Also I dislike it even when people I agree with rant about stuff on the mic at shows. Shut up and play the damn music!
 
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Korladis said:
Yeah, actually, I would. Because if you're the person with the microphone, you're representing the whole band. If we disagree on politics, that's fine. Just don't bring it up. Especially not at a gig, on the mic.

Also I dislike it even when people I agree with rant about stuff on the mic at shows. Shut up and play the damn music!
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Now, I have to agree with this. I don't ever want my band to be used as a bully pulpit for political discourse....of any kind. I have fired singers because they couldn't help but using the mic to expose their political or religious beliefs.
 
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They way I see it, the politics problem is that of the CL poster not any of the 'special snowflakes' that they are trying to avoid. I have worked/played music/partied etc with lots of people who don't agree with how people should be governed. Its never a problem unless they are also an A-hole. So the CL poster could have avoided a problem by just stating "no A-holes". In doing so pointed out who the A-hole was!
 
#151
electracoyote said:
Not in my experience. A person using the term "snowflake" is referring to something that has nothing to do with bigotry or racism whatsoever, and overgeneralizing and speculating (i.e. profiling) is neither fair nor accurate.

It's really a shame how the term "racism" got so maligned and loosely and inaccurately re-defined. It used to mean something profound to people across many boundaries. Nowadays, it's almost like "the sky is falling" or "Wolf!" And that makes me very sad, because there is real racism out there, but people are becoming immune, hardened, and wary due to the common knee-jerk misuse and misapplication of the word.

I hope someday we'll resist calling everything and everyone a racist so we can really identify and tackle the problem.
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That quote that is attributed to me isn't me. I have no idea how somebody else's words got linked to my name. I don't agree with the words either, please remove it.
 
#152
mp40smg said:
I would completely agree with you on this.
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Someone could be up there going a long rant that I agree with every word of. But I would still be pretty annoyed if I'm there to see a band play, not to hear a lecture on political policy, economics, or hell, any subject, really. I suppose it's partly because I play shows myself, but I know that there is a limited amount of time that it is possible for the band I'm seeing to play. If the singer is talking on the mic about... whatever it is, that's time that could be spent playing music, but isn't.

I also think talking about politics is just... not really productive in bands, either. There are pretty much only two ways it goes, in my experience.

Either
A. Everybody agrees. Conversation either turns into a bunch of kvetching about the state of the town, county, state, country, world, or kinda peters out.

or

B. People disagree. Argument ensues. Usually no one has changed their mind by the end and it has soured the mood a bit.

Neither is a productive use of rehearsal time.
 
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Korladis said:
In my experience basically everyone who rants about "special snowflakes" goes on to say something pretty bigoted at some other point. Usually they're unaware that they're bigoted and would deny being such. Not like "let's go burn a cross on their yard," level of racist, but more like "you know how those people are" (in reference to someone who looks different than they do) racism.

I disagree with you that this is a misuse. Because while there is racism of the KKK and neo-nazi variety out there, where they're very explicit about hating people, it's really not the biggest problem with racism. There are not that many of those compared to the number of people who would deny being racist, but still do and say things that are actually pretty bigoted. They usually don't even know it.

The dudes who rant about "special snowflakes" are usually the ones who, after saying something racist that they didn't really realize was racist, got called out on it by someone who it was racist to, and then because in our vernacular "racist" seems to denote a monstrous cross-burning bogeyman, doubled down on what they said or did, and denied the accusation because they can't admit messing up.
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+1

This is the type of language used by passive-aggressive asshats in order to say offensive things and then claim that it's not THEIR fault that someone was offended by being insulted.
 
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Ffreddy said:
They way I see it, the politics problem is that of the CL poster not any of the 'special snowflakes' that they are trying to avoid. I have worked/played music/partied etc with lots of people who don't agree with how people should be governed. Its never a problem unless they are also an A-hole. So the CL poster could have avoided a problem by just stating "no A-holes". In doing so pointed out who the A-hole was!
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I think you are missing the point.

The Poster could be advertising for a Christian Rock or a Drag Show cabaret band. If the leader of that band believes that having a certain mind set is important for the functioning/ longevity/ direction of a group then it can be important to get that established on the front end.

Do you really want a bass player that is a monster player doing a 4 hour set at a drag show if they have a problem with gay people? Is it likely to cause issues at some point? When they go for a beer between sets or after their set is ended and might interact with the patrons?

Or flipping it around.. Would the transvestite/ in your face gay/ drag queen fit well in the Christian Rock band?


But they are a great player that knows the material, what difference does their thought process make?
 
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#156
DiabolusInMusic said:
Snowflake isn't racist but it speaks to somebody who "others", which is a sign of bigotry. I suppose it is still a great way to weed out the type of people you aren't looking for... like tolerant people.
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I think you're right in that "intolerance" is a much better word than bigotry. And, from the looks of things, there is intolerance literally everywhere coming from all angles.
 
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