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Criminally loud concerts

loudest for me was the Ramones. Anywhere. they were really really loud.
The stage sound must have been even louder, as they always had 2x15 floor wedges all over the stage, in addition to side fills. I loved it.

Some of the best sound I head live was on the last couple Dead Can Dance tours....super quiet, and you could hear every single note....fabulous.
 
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My question is: how is this okay? I can't imagine whoever was responsible for the loudness would think "Yep... sounds good to me!" unless they already had some hearing damage themselves. Why does this happen, and how is there not a lawsuit frenzy over hearing damage due to concerts?
there's a concept called "coming to the hazard" that pretty much cuts the legs out of lawsuits. no one forced you to go. on top of that, you expected it to be loud (brought earplugs) but didn't protect yourself (didn't use said earplugs). it's a tough world out there friend, good luck.
 
I was at the RHCP show in Atlanta on Friday. I thought the sound level was just right. Loud enough that you knew you were at a show, but every instrument and vocals were very distinct and clear. I was on the floor about 20 rows back and didn't feel the need for plugs. I think the particular venue acoustics have a lot to do with the perceived volume levels.

I was also at the same venue two weeks ago for Radiohead. The volume wasn't as high, but the instruments were less distinct.
 
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News flash: concerts are loud. This is a new thing, since about 1961. The philosophy here is CAVEAT EMPTOR. Don't buy tickets to a concert if you don't like loud music.
It is NOT OK to expect a band or venue to "turn down" because it's too loud for you. It is up to the listener to determine what is needed at the show, i.e. - earplugs. I wear them at all shows, big and small, whether I'm playing or listening.
It's really sad that the idea of filing lawsuits against venues for loud music is even mentioned. This is where our society is now. Everyone thinks they are special, and everything should be adjusted to their desires. The moment someone doesn't like something, they call a lawyer.

My recommendation is that, in lieu of live music shows, you should check out some Carpenters albums at your local record store. You can play them at home, at your desired volume, and no lawsuits will be necessary.
Before commenting, can you clarify one thing for me? Are you saying that there is literally no point when the sound level becomes too loud? That if you can squeeze out another dB then, G** D*****, you squeeze out that extra dB!
 
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So you don't see a problem when bands are playing at levels they know will damage hearing, especially where they are selling tickets to young people?
I feel you, and agree. It's not OK. For some reason the possibility of damaged hearing is seen as 'your problem' or 'buyer beware' whereas if the threat were potentially eye-damaging lasers or toxic gas that might cause you to lose your sense of smell we'd all agree there's a problem. Hearing? Your problem and we'll make it as loud as we want. Odd.
 
Before commenting, can you clarify one thing for me? Are you saying that there is literally no point when the sound level becomes too loud? That if you can squeeze out another dB then, G** D*****, you squeeze out that extra dB!

Nope. I'm just saying that "too loud" is subjective. What one person considers too loud, another person has no problem with.
If you have ever worked in an office with someone that is always cold, they are always complaining and trying to raise the thermostat, not caring if everyone else is hot. That person should put on a sweater and STFU. Same goes with earplugs.
 
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Saw SRV at Clowes Hall in Indianapolis in the 80's, pre-Reese Wynans, so loud I had to leave the hall during Third Stone from the Sun. Horrible!!! Why would any artist deliberately hurt their fans? I think a case could be made to charge the artist and sound man with assault. Seriously.
 
there's a concept called "coming to the hazard" that pretty much cuts the legs out of lawsuits. no one forced you to go. on top of that, you expected it to be loud (brought earplugs) but didn't protect yourself (didn't use said earplugs). it's a tough world out there friend, good luck.

Love it. I'm SO glad there is something to protect venues/bands from lawsuit-happy whiners. Concerts were never a problem for 50+ years, and all of a sudden it's supposed to become a major legal issue?! Gimme a break.
 
Nope. I'm just saying that "too loud" is subjective. What one person considers too loud, another person has no problem with.
If you have ever worked in an office with someone that is always cold, they are always complaining and trying to raise the thermostat, not caring if everyone else is hot. That person should put on a sweater and STFU. Same goes with earplugs.
my. man.

boom!
 
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I went to an Adele arena concert in Miami and the main issue was the loud bass drum as has been discussed before on TB. Near the end of the concert I could feel my nose like vibrating and my pants legs vibrating. My seat was pretty high up, but at least I got a seat. I was on the side so I couldn't see the bass player or guitarist play.
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I am glad she does some stripped down tunes without the drums. I was near the front of an Elvis Costello concert in the 1980s and it was loud, but again I was near the front to watch Bruce Thomas in action.
 
Nope. I'm just saying that "too loud" is subjective. What one person considers too loud, another person has no problem with.
If you have ever worked in an office with someone that is always cold, they are always complaining and trying to raise the thermostat, not caring if everyone else is hot. That person should put on a sweater and STFU. Same goes with earplugs.

Too loud is NOT subjective - OSHA has regulations. Especially with today's technology, there is no excuse for having stupid loud music. How many people here at TB have tinnitus? How many of them got it before they were old enough to know how/why it happens?

Concern over your hearing in not old and stodgy - it's smart. I'm 51, and have been performing and enjoying rock music for over three decades. I have my hearing, and like it that way.
 
Up to a point I agree. BUT sound pressure of 100 db or more will damage unprotected hearing in 30 minutes or less and many concerts exceed this value, sometimes by a lot. It will harm you. That applies to everyone, nobody is special here.

Agreed. I'm definitely not an advocate for the loudest concerts ever. I think there is a point where the volume becomes pointless. My point is that concerts have always been loud, and they have always been capable of damaging folks' hearing. No one has ever (to my knowledge) started screaming "lawsuit" until now.
 
My question is: how is this okay? I can't imagine whoever was responsible for the loudness would think "Yep... sounds good to me!" unless they already had some hearing damage themselves. Why does this happen, and how is there not a lawsuit frenzy over hearing damage due to concerts?
That's why I these days only hear ROCK concerts at outdoors venues. You can creep back off the grounds until the volume is reasonable. You hear more BASS too the further away you stand. Albeit to the drawback that you don't see much. As I am 5"7 I just have to stand a bit back. Saves my hearing too.

At a smaller club, when there's any "new" or young act playing I always bring earplugs and have done so since the beginning of the 90s.

Why?

It is just possible for the audience to turn it down. By using earplugs. Fingers in their ears. Mind you that, as opposed to the EYES you can't "blink" with your ears, they're always open. Like you could do that when asleep, shrinkle your ears inwards like a dog, and make your own ear filters, just as you can close your eyelids. You can't, that's nature, biology and human design.

People at concerts, they can't turn it up if they want to. They can ONLY damp it with earplugs (or fingers). However, if the actual sound is bad (bad FOH sound man) it can be low and totally torture anyway. I remember seeing Motorhead and Manowar at the same gig. Had to leave for a beer in the stalls outside, went back in when DIO performed. Reasonable levels came back at me. Lemmy said to his soundman between numbers "turn it up Dave, they're using earplugs anyway...". Manowar used to have record breaking for loudest band on earth. I think all in all it has to do with what Ozzy Osborne and someone else said in an interview in the 60s. "We had to play loud, so peoples talking wouldn't get heard over it". Loud levels makes people in the back silent because they can't talk over it, so they shut up by default.

I am not sure, but I think these days it has been mitigated quite a lot with the actual loudness at concerts. Since most of them have gone into these flying clusters of speakers with high frequency contect, up high in the air, pointed at calculated angles, there's no midrange or treble in a direct 90 degree angle towards you even if you stand left or right of the stage. Also, it makes room for visibility in the gap of the stage that is made, to the rigth and left. The bass woofers are usually placed beneath the stage, or at the ground (outdoors) even below your ears distance above the ground. There's no direct line anymore, but I do think that I heard louder levels and worse sound on top of that ages ago. It was a long time ago I suffered from noise hangover, that last one must've been - believe it or not - Electric Light Orchestra in 1977 (!). With string section and not especially "heavy metal" by any means, they produced sound that distorted in the speakers. That was my wakeup call, and used at least one earplug in left ear, so I could hear some music as intended and keep conversations to people to the right of me. ;)

The actual venue (inside, not outdoors free field) can contribute to both "bad" and "loud" sound depending on how it's designed. Most hockey rinks sucks real bad in acoustics, and can get resonances at ear shattering levels, but while you stand at front of the desk everything sounds A Ok. But up at nose bleed section it's awfully loud.

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EDIT: I know of people standing at the front of the stage in order to avoid the blasts from the side PA speakers. Then you'll hear more of the stage sound. However I don't, the vocal seems to disappear, and the bass frequencies are just rumbling about. However there's very little decibel at the front edge of the stage. Otherwise it would feed back.
 
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