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Criminally loud concerts

My question is: how is this okay?

It is not, IMO. I understand that many bands don't have the budget to get a good PA - or even worse, that at festivals they have to play at small party stages where the organiser would save money and just put too little effort to provide good sound for the "smaller" bands.

My ears ring => I don't like it.
That's why I always take ear plugs with me. If sound is carp, I protect my ears.

Manowar, officially the loudest band ion the world.

Loudest band I ever saw...Jackyl...I lost hearing for sure after that one, ringing for 2 weeks, muffled tones for 2 weeks after, marked hearing loss. Earplugs ever since, whether I am playing or watching someone else.

Honestly, the first time I saw ManOwaR, my mate and me did wear ear plugs, since we were advised to, and got them for free. During the first song, we decided to take them out. Didn't feel loud at all. We tried to talk to each other - I saw only his mouth opening, his lips moving - but I didn't hear him at all. That was when I realized how LOUD, but also how clear that sound was. Awesome!

I didn't have any issues with their sound, my ears never did ring, even at the Magic Circle Festivals.
Maybe, I am just sensitive to specific frequencies? Or THD? Don't know.
Hope, you guys could recover and your ears are OK, again.

Fazit: Some bands CAN do it LOUD without any issues.
Only those should dare to make it loud, IMO.
 
I've been to a lot of awesome, extremely loud shows (Deep Purple 72', Mountain, Rush, Who, Zeppelin, etc) but the loudest had to be either Destroy All Monsters or Sonic's Rendezvous Band at the 2nd Chance in Ann Arbor. See them on a Monday night, can't hear until Thursday; rinse and repeat.
 
Saw RHCP in Raleigh NC on saturday. Phenomenal show, except... it was too damn loud! Me and my friend were in the cheap seats as far back as you could possibly go, but I had to plug my ears at a few points it was so loud. The people who sat up front must've been in agony. I've been to a few arena shows before and they were never as loud as this.

My ears have been ringing slightly since then, definitely got some damage from that night. Worst thing is I had ear plugs, I just left them in the car.

My question is: how is this okay? I can't imagine whoever was responsible for the loudness would think "Yep... sounds good to me!" unless they already had some hearing damage themselves. Why does this happen, and how is there not a lawsuit frenzy over hearing damage due to concerts?
It's among the reasons I have no aspirations to gig. I go way back, so I have 60's memories of bands when I was a kid and before I fell into a classical career. Most people are in disbelief when I tell them Jimi Hendrix was quite listenable live. All the nuances, his delicate fills you'd hear on his recordings were all there. Both times I saw him I could easily carry on a conversation with the person next to me. The first time too was a fairly large venue, Chicago's Auditorium theater. The second was much smaller at the University of Illinois's Chicago circle campus but it was abbreviated due to equipment problems. That was 1967 and 1969 respectively. I'd say top volume was equivalent to a full orchestral tutti, maybe 110 decibels but on average, 100. Of course on both occasions there was no PA. That was not yet part of the live performance paradigm. The musicians on the stage controlled the sound. This pretty much was the same with The Byrds, The Soft Machine, The very early Fleetwood Mac, no women in the band yet and a few others whose names escape my memory.
I blame the Beatles, whose promoters in their infinite greed decided baseball stadia were the best venue for rock & roll. Enter the PA system, then of course enter the sound guy. Exit my butt from the seat.
I did give the modern approach a few chances. About 14 years ago my daughter, then 18 became interested, as I did, in the music of the Eels. I saw them perform Trouble With Dreams on Letterman and thought she'd get a kick out of seeing them live at the tiny Pabst theater in downtown Milwaukee. The Eels, I should add, bear no resemblance in their instrumentation or approach to Motorhead. For example, the aforementioned "Trouble" was scored for electric bass, 2 celli, drums, singer and glockenspiel with electric piano.
When we took our seats, which were well away from the stage, i wondered what the console was for in the orchestra pit. At the time, I knew nothing about electric music performance and its do- dads. From the get go, amplitudes were always on the threshold of pain. Neither of us could identify material, "do you know what this is?" "What?" "DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS IS?" "Maybe Blinking Lights?" Most of the time though it was impossible to communicate through this ugly smear of pulsing noise. A year or so with my wife in Milwaukee again at Turner hall we saw They Might Be Giants and for crying out loud it was just as bad. Unidentifiable material as the 130 db or so they were fooling with flat-lined into a wave of noise. I did manage to see one successful popular music concert when we saw Suzanne Vega at 60's Hendrix volumes which meant her material was completely identifiable.
Unfortunately this has of course trickled into the practice of local bar bands so my wife's colleague at work who generously had this open bar birthday party at an upscale watering hole had to also have a live band . And though it was not their name could just as well gone by, Burst Eardrums. As an addendum, I notice most of the equipment conversations at Talkbass eventually drift to not sound quality but "how loud is it?"
I do apologize for the length of the post.
 
Loudest? That would actually be my rehearsal sessions with a band I used to be in, Final Witness. These guys were about 20 years my senior and I have never been around such loud music in my life....

Vocalist used two Behringer EP2500s CRANKED into two Peavey 2x15 PA cabinets. If I stood too close to the speakers, I literally started getting dizzy and nauseous, almost fell over one time. The guitarist used a power amp for his guitar rig and had a Boss GT10 as his preamp. This was into two 4x12s and was again, very freakin loud. When I asked if we could try to do practice at something less than eardrum-puncturing volumes, the singer was like "Come on man! All the legends practiced at full volume!" To which I said "YEAH, and now they are practically deaf...I'd like to keep mine if that's fine." Since the guitarist would only play in Drop-C tuning, I had the volume issues and other reasons to leave the band.
 
I don't recall the name of the Led Zeppelin tribute band I and my son saw at the Blue Note in Columbia, MO a few years ago but they were ridiculously and insanely loud. We were both equipped with good ear plugs, but only stayed for a few songs. It was that loud. I also thought it was quite stupid when the singer talked about "we wrote this song when....". Right...
 
I thought The Who were loud until I took my daughter to see Chris Daughtry. OMG, we sat in the back and it was deafening. Stuffed whatever I could find in my ears to make it stop. That and some really loud guitarists, I now have tinnitus and a notch in my hearing about 2500-3500hz. Wearing ear protection for years has helped it from getting worse, but wish I'd gotten on the bandwagon a long time ago. I think protection in general has gotten better the last few years and it would be a smart idea for concert venues to offer at least some cheap, free hearing protection available at concerts. Sam Ash has a big dispenser right near the front door with free, green plugs that work great. Why can't concert venues offer the same? Wouldn't cost a lot for the cheapies and would save a lot of hearing.
 
Saw RHCP in Raleigh NC on saturday. Phenomenal show, except... it was too damn loud! Me and my friend were in the cheap seats as far back as you could possibly go, but I had to plug my ears at a few points it was so loud. The people who sat up front must've been in agony. I've been to a few arena shows before and they were never as loud as this.

My ears have been ringing slightly since then, definitely got some damage from that night. Worst thing is I had ear plugs, I just left them in the car.

My question is: how is this okay? I can't imagine whoever was responsible for the loudness would think "Yep... sounds good to me!" unless they already had some hearing damage themselves. Why does this happen, and how is there not a lawsuit frenzy over hearing damage due to concerts?
Saw the Trans Siberian Orchestra some years ago, they were so loud it ruined the whole experience. Thought my ears were goin to pop, and we weren't that close. Would never pay to see them again.
 
I live in SF and grew up in NYC.
I have seen thousands of live concerts and festivals.

Unequivocally, the loudest band I've ever seen live was MGMT at Outside Lands in Golden Gate Park in SF - in 2011.

It wasn't just loud it disturbed every molecule in my body and mind.

They simply turned the SVT with the Fridge Box Cab to 11.
And it sounded shagin' horrible.....

Same PA during sets by Collie Budz, Funky Meters (who put on a terrible performance riddled with backline breakdowns) and Phish sounded amazing and didn't hurt my head or ears.

In my memory - two other deafening shows surface - The obvious one: The Who at Oakland Stadium back around '92.
Seated in the 3rd tier directly facing the band - no matter how loud I screamed to the guy sitting next to me, he could not understand what I was saying.

The third thought: Allman Bros at the Warfield - stupidly loud.

Final thought - saw Dickie Betts and the New South at Slim's in SF - a medium sized SF Nightclub partly owned by Boz Scaggs. Upon entering the first thing I noticed was 4 double stacked Marshall Cabs with Plexi's.
There was no where you could stand in that room and hear the whole band. You just got the sound of one players zone....
 
Every show. In my experience the majority of shows are ruined by the sound reinforcement, good bands, bad bands, all bands. It's not politically correct to bag on sound techs, and I know it's a hard job, but it's really destroying live music.
I have to agree. And not to plug your hi pass, but... getting rid of the ultra low frequencies really helps clean things up in live situations.
 
Tera Melos at The Space.

Idk if it was the loudest concert ever, but its the only concert in recent memory that I've taken my earplugs out just to hear every little bit. Resulted in loudest concert to me.

BEST VOLUME AT A VENUE:
-Moe at the Calvin theater this past March. Not my favorite band, but the sound was killer. I forgot earplugs and didn't even need them.
 
Blue Oyster Cult in 1980... At one point in the show, the band had all the lights killed. The arena was pitch black, and just when your pupils dilated to accommodate for the dark, they flashed the brightest strobe I'd ever seen. I was literally blind for about 60 seconds and it was no fun.

Not that many others have probably seen "the Stoned Age," but involved some kid who saw BOC live and had an experience where the laser shot into his eye and he saw "the gnarly eyeball," and from my vague recolleciton, repeatedly told people about the gnarly eyeball through the entire run of this awful movie.

But I could be wrong, it's been 20 years since i've seen it.



I'm just excited to see a reference to the gnarly eyeball pop up here of all places.
 
It's a bummer. It's usually too loud for me so I 1) usually won't bother going or 2) if I do, plugs are in my pocket, with spares for friends who may want them after all. Last concert I saw, just last week, was Trey Anastasio band at The Capitol in Port Chester NY. It was loud but not stupid loud. Earplugs not needed, sound was very good and no ringing after. A very pleasant surprise. The music was OK. : D
 
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