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CWB 20: Babes and Barbarians

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Thor said:
I played a Bag End the other day, 1x15. The thing had serious mojo.
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Thor, did you play the Coax model or the regular 15?
One sounds great, but a pair is pretty stout. For a 4 string rig I'd never look any further. They don't put quite the low I'd like for my B strings, but they aren't farty in the least.



Playing my stack here with the Aguilar DB750. The sound you hear is a mix of the board and my Zoom video camera. I went to the board from my DI on the head. I rarely use effects so it's just bass>head>board/BagEnds.

They are super nice, but if I could have them in one box that had a bit more bass, That would most likely be my rig 90% of the time.
 
#588
DerTeufel said:
I hear ya. Model the boxes (and drivers) using cabinet design software to get ya in the ballpark.

I have to admit that the cheapie Seismic 210 cab seems to handle the low B fine..not as loudly as I would like, but it doesn't sound flabby or distorted. My biggest beef with em is that they are made out of MDF. I'm currently looking for two decent quality 210s that can handle a low B.
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The BagEnds are 13ply baltic birch. They might as well be made out of steel. The 2x10s are around 70lbs. My cubes are 45 and 50 lbs. Btw, you wouldn't probably need more than one of the BE 210s, because they are so loud and the sound of the coax disperses better and sounds more organic than tweeters do to my ear. I've played some pretty large theaters with one 2x10. As with most gigs, if they are large enough, your rig basically becomes your stage monitor.

I had a pair that I'd use for outdoor gigs or a 6x10 mesa powerhouse at the time.

Now I use the Aggie 412 whenever I can because it is like having a few hundred extra horsepower kind of sound. For everything else I use the BE cubes. I used the same setup in the Post Modern Ensemble video for our recording last week.
 
#590
Mulebagger said:
Honestly, the weight is the only thing keeping me from having 2 BagEnd 410 cabinets. I don't want a rig that weighs the same I do. :)
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I'm reading all the bass cab posts on here with interest, but I have to say I'm going in the opposite direction. I'm interested in my bands having a fat-ass front of the house PA system that can handle bass, such that I can use a small Genz Benz head and monitor back where I am. I totally understand the rationale of doing it your way, but as time goes on I think the FOH way of looking at it is better. Long topic, I know. The "Live Sound" forum is where I hang out on TB besides CWB. The Shoemakers are my secondary band and not that talented but the mains are serious 15s that can handle bass fine. Plus there's the option of subwoofers.

Or, to put it differently, someone other than me can carry all that heavy stuff. ;):bassist:

Seriously, I try to look at it from the audience's point of view, and I think a fully mixed band at the FOH point of attack is enjoyed more than the mega rig approach.

Again, just my .02, and I love big rigs too.
 
#591
JaamE said:
I be somewhat of a cross between Native American Spirituality and Pagan... yes.
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there must be something in all those tall trees out in the Pacific Northwest.

Seattle/Vancouver are high on my bucket list of next places to go. My best friend/bandmate from college years is in Seattle (his next band after ours was the Mahavishnu Orchestra), plus a couple of other good friends. Gotta get organized and make this trip. :bassist:
 
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chuck3 said:
I'm reading all the bass cab posts on here with interest, but I have to say I'm going in the opposite direction. I'm interested in my bands having a fat-ass front of the house PA system that can handle bass, such that I can use a small Genz Benz head and monitor back where I am. I totally understand the rationale of doing it your way, but as time goes on I think the FOH way of looking at it is better. Long topic, I know. The "Live Sound" forum is where I hang out on TB besides CWB. The Shoemakers are my secondary band and not that talented but the mains are serious 15s that can handle bass fine. Plus there's the option of subwoofers.

Or, to put it differently, someone other than me can carry all that heavy stuff. ;):bassist:

Seriously, I try to look at it from the audience's point of view, and I think a fully mixed band at the FOH point of attack is enjoyed more than the mega rig approach.

Again, just my .02, and I love big rigs too.
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I'm far from playing venues that have FOH sound, so I have to have a rig that will handle both.
 
#593
DerTeufel said:
I'm far from playing venues that have FOH sound, so I have to have a rig that will handle both.
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hey DT - not to be contrarian, but what I'm saying is that the band can bring the FOH, only the bass player doesn't have to carry it all because it supports the whole band. If you check out playing with the band's mains being two powered 15s with horns - the need for a big bass rig disappears. You can bring the PA with you and it can all be mixed at the FOH. If your desire is a tube sound or grit, there are so many ways to achieve that with either a good preamp, DI or effect.

And, again ... if it's for the whole band, it's not on you to carry the whole thing. :cool:
 
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exhibit A is Geddy Lee with the washing machines - you get the satire, he's playing FOH. The washing machines are a joke concerning big bass rigs. But as a band you can do the FOH on a low budget - probably less than the bass cabs you're discussing.

Sarsstock.jpg
 
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chuck3 said:
hey DT - not to be contrarian, but what I'm saying is that the band can bring the FOH, only the bass player doesn't have to carry it all because it supports the whole band. If you check out playing with the band's mains being two powered 15s with horns - the need for a big bass rig disappears. You can bring the PA with you and it can all be mixed at the FOH. If your desire is a tube sound or grit, there are so many ways to achieve that with either a good preamp, DI or effect.

And, again ... if it's for the whole band, it's not on you to carry the whole thing. :cool:
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I get what you are saying. The venue that we are playing at is pretty small. I have tried putting my bass through our powered mains (12" with a horn). The result was not good.
 
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chuck3 said:
exhibit A is Geddy Lee with the washing machines - you get the satire, he's playing FOH. The washing machines are a joke concerning big bass rigs. But as a band you can do the FOH on a low budget - probably less than the bass cabs you're discussing.

Sarsstock.jpg
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Yeah, I have seen that. If I am following correctly, you are suggesting getting quality powered mains to use with my wee GK head?
 
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DerTeufel said:
I get what you are saying. The venue that we are playing at is pretty small. I have tried putting my bass through our powered mains (12" with a horn). The result was not good.
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I'm with you, man. You need 15s at least, and a subwoofer should be in the discusssion. With my main band (Vague Assurances) this is an issue. I'm trying a creative hyrbrid solution for the Vassar gig tomorrow night. Oddly, my secondary band has this down better.
 
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