Pfft, speaking as an engineering student, we round everything up anyway, might as well say it works. Well at least that is what seems to be happening in the gulf right now.
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Deepwater Horizon disaster
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Pfft, speaking as an engineering student, we round everything up anyway, might as well say it works. Well at least that is what seems to be happening in the gulf right now.
lowsound
I doubt it's fake. It looks bad enough.
There are some people out there saying the BOP is blown off and the well is a full-bore out of control ultra high pressure hole in the ocean but I've not seen any evidence of that.
There are some people out there saying the BOP is blown off and the well is a full-bore out of control ultra high pressure hole in the ocean but I've not seen any evidence of that.
OR maybe you misjudged the color of the water and didn't take into account the lighting down there while watching the video on the Burger King TV. Which one is more plausible, hmmm...
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Well, I also came home and saw it on the net too. I still don't see how they can get water that has no light present to appear as aqua colored as a swimming pool.
Read an article that basically says that BP was advised of the dangers and refused the recommendation to shut down the well despite the warnings. In other words, this could have entirely been avoided, if not for "greed". Of course "greed" is a vast over-simplification... but ultimately, that is the bottom line from which the problem stems.
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Truly a tragedy. Australia is debating increasing the taxes to mining companies (BP amongst them) and people are denouncing it as 'economically irresponsible' - when I hear of problems similar to the Deep Horizon one weekly I wonder how responsible it is to allow the mining companies the sway they have.
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umm....they have lights near the camera.... How did you think you were actually seeing anything?
john turner
You don't want to do that. Trust me.
then triple the size.
my point was that using gard's original comment of 100 sq miles, and moving the "sq" over a word (100 miles sq) made his estimate a lot more appropriate. i was assuming when i read his original comment that that's what he meant.
...as usual, you are much more accurate in your speech (typing) on a technical subject that I myself am.
Yes, that is precisely what I meant, 100 miles square, or a square 100 miles on a side.
I hate it when I misspeak so blatantly.
As you can imagine, this spill has been the talk of the office and local radio stations. What I've noticed lately is that there is a growing sentiment that the "clean up" response from BP, the Administration, etc. is not as urgent as it would be if this spill had taken place off the coast of Miami or a more glamorous/pituresque area. Basically, they feel that because the area is viewed as a dirty swamp populated by poor rednecks, there isn't as much concern.
I don't necessarily espouse this view, but I'm not blind to how many view the South in general, either and life has shown me it's hard for people to suppress a prejudice.
Mike
I don't necessarily espouse this view, but I'm not blind to how many view the South in general, either and life has shown me it's hard for people to suppress a prejudice.
Mike
May not be the case, but definitely a possible situation. Very few view the salt marsh environment as "pretty" or "picturesque".
I happen to think it is one of the most beautiful places on earth myself, but it's because I grew up in it, and UNDERSTAND it.
I can see those that don't have the benefit of that viewpoint just seeing it as a wasteland....
I personally love the area (I enjoy the outdoors), but I can see the oiling of a Florida vacation destination causing a scramble.May not be the case, but definitely a possible situation. Very few view the salt marsh environment as "pretty" or "picturesque".
I happen to think it is one of the most beautiful places on earth myself, but it's because I grew up in it, and UNDERSTAND it.
I can see those that don't have the benefit of that viewpoint just seeing it as a wasteland....
Mike
May not be the case, but definitely a possible situation. Very few view the salt marsh environment as "pretty" or "picturesque".
I happen to think it is one of the most beautiful places on earth myself, but it's because I grew up in it, and UNDERSTAND it.
I can see those that don't have the benefit of that viewpoint just seeing it as a wasteland....
I don't think that. We have a lot of salt marshes around here where I live. They are important in that they serve as a natural filtration system between fresh and salt water. I also find them beautiful. In the summer I ride my mtn bike across the Bolsa Chica wetlands daily to get to work. Everyday is different regarding the wildlife I see, and the the general vibe of the place. I can't imagine losing this place to something like this. From what I understand these wetlands are immense in their size compared to the ones we have locally here.
Having done a very cursory search, it would seem that some want to believe that (political personality removed) pulled the Deregulation lever and then broke it off.
Let's just let the lack of evidence and, especially, substance to this claim be enough to let it die without this turning into any kind of psuedo-conspiratorial-political argument. It's partisan politics at a base level and I'd rather it not pollute the thread. Thanks, guys.
Mike
Let's just let the lack of evidence and, especially, substance to this claim be enough to let it die without this turning into any kind of psuedo-conspiratorial-political argument. It's partisan politics at a base level and I'd rather it not pollute the thread. Thanks, guys.
Mike
Imagine those wetlands stretching for about 300 miles, and going inland for 8-10 miles for almost the entire stretch of coastline...yeah, that's CLOSE to how big they are.
And yes, the wildlife you see in them is astounding. One of the major avian migratory paths is right through Louisiana because of the wetlands. Fall and spring, you see so many species of birds you will lose count.
The reason I am so outraged by this is because of the threat to this already damaged ecosystem. And the cost of its loss to everyone will be a price we cannot even begin to estimate, much less pay for. Even BP, with all of its profits, cannot fix this...
...and I agree with Mike, let's leave the petty partisan politics OUT of the discussion, hmmkay? It isn't any one political party/viewpoint that is responsible, both sides of the equation have been remiss in all of this, and both sides deserve an equal share of the finger pointing. Therefore, the correct response is to point at neither, and focus on trying to deal with the situation quickly and effectively.
The "valve" in question actually a blow out preveter (BOP) and it is required on all rigs. What you are referring to is an acoustic switch that allows the BOP to be remotely triggered in case of a failure of other backup systems. It is required in two countries, Brazil and Norway.
What the rig did have was a manual switch and a "deadman" switch. Failing the ability of the workers to manually activate the BOP, the deadman was supposed to activate as soon as communication was lost with the rig. Since both of those failed, the third fallback was to physically trigger the BOP from the sea floor, an effort that has failed in this case and I assume abandoned at this point. More importantly, BOP have failed several hundred times overthe last 20 years, regardless of the type of switch used. Given all of this, I'd say the chances the acoustic switch would have worked are in serious question, let alone how (political personality removed) is responsible for it.
NPR maybe ought to catch up to this site for more depth.
Mike
What makes your "source" more reliable? Why do you know so much about this topic? Are you just interested or does it directly effect you?
I may not have all the facts and I expect that no one can know the whole truth of the situation. But I trust that NPR and its guests are more informed then the both of us. And considering ( insert a person who's name who can not be mentioned because it makes this a "political" conversation) track record I would gather that under his watch private companies were not held by a tight leash. Not to say that he is the "only" person responsible in the "G word", but this is what I heard from reliable sources.
I look forward to a long reply with large words that I will need too look up and witty banter. Please proceed
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What makes your "source" more reliable? Why do you know so much about this topic? Are you just interested or does it directly effect you?
I may not have all the facts and I expect that no one can know the whole truth of the situation. But I trust that NPR and its guests are more informed then the both of us. And considering ( insert a person who's name who can not be mentioned because it makes this a "political" conversation) track record I would gather that under his watch private companies were not held by a tight leash. Not to say that he is the "only" person responsible in the "G word", but this is what I heard from reliable sources.
I look forward to a long reply with large words that I will need too look up and witty banter. Please proceed
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