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Defective Basses Sent To Developing Countries?

This may sound like a conspiracy theory, but it's actually a sincere curiosity of mine.

I live in Turkey - which is a developing country.
FYI From the Googles:
Is Turkey considered a Third World country? The CIA classifies Turkey as a developed country.
Turkey is a member of the G20 industrial nations which brings together the 20 largest economies of the world.
It is not a third world country, but not quite as developed as a first world country, hence it is in the bridge of an emerging economy.
 
This may sound like a conspiracy theory, but it's actually a sincere curiosity of mine.

I live in Turkey - which is a developing country. Whenever I go to a major music store to check some basses, I leave the store dissatisfied. Most of the (Fender) basses that I try have one of the following problems:
  • Dead spot on G string
  • Dull E string
  • Weak G string
  • Excess weight
  • Misconnected electronics
  • etc...
Mexican, American, Elite, etc; doesn't matter. Only Custom Shops and a few production basses seem to be OK.

I thought that this was a Fender QC sloppiness issue. However; I experienced the same with StingRay basses too. An Old Smoothie had the weakest G string I have ever seen (weaker than any other StingRay I played), and a shiny 5 string Special had a dead spot on the 7th fret of G string so bad that I could barely hear the note before it disappeared. That makes about 50% of all available StingRay basses.

I'm experienced enough to tell setup / EQ issues apart from acoustic / resonance issues; and the problems I'm talking about are definitely not setup / EQ issues.

So I can't help but ask: Do companies send defective basses to developing countries; assuming that they will be despairingly accepted? Or do fellow bass players in developed countries experience the same?

As of today; I'm hanging on to my rare impeccable American P Bass as hard as I can, because I don't know if / when I might encounter another one.




I have a different take on this.

First, I would verify with the American Manufacturer of your choice that the store you are using is actually an authorized dealer.

Why?

Counterfeits have been around for some time. They are more likely to get caught/filtered out when coming to the country that originates the instruments than overseas countries. Pretty sure not a lot of other countries are worried about fake US products.

Those fakes are getting made because there is a market for them, and the US is more likely to catch the shipments.

Just wonderin'
 
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This may sound like a conspiracy theory, but it's actually a sincere curiosity of mine.

I live in Turkey - which is a developing country. Whenever I go to a major music store to check some basses, I leave the store dissatisfied. Most of the (Fender) basses that I try have one of the following problems:
  • Dead spot on G string
  • Dull E string
  • Weak G string
  • Excess weight
  • Misconnected electronics
  • etc...
Mexican, American, Elite, etc; doesn't matter. Only Custom Shops and a few production basses seem to be OK.

I thought that this was a Fender QC sloppiness issue. However; I experienced the same with StingRay basses too. An Old Smoothie had the weakest G string I have ever seen (weaker than any other StingRay I played), and a shiny 5 string Special had a dead spot on the 7th fret of G string so bad that I could barely hear the note before it disappeared. That makes about 50% of all available StingRay basses.

I'm experienced enough to tell setup / EQ issues apart from acoustic / resonance issues; and the problems I'm talking about are definitely not setup / EQ issues.

So I can't help but ask: Do companies send defective basses to developing countries; assuming that they will be despairingly accepted? Or do fellow bass players in developed countries experience the same?

As of today; I'm hanging on to my rare impeccable American P Bass as hard as I can, because I don't know if / when I might encounter another one.
It is worldwide.
Some of it I suspect it's due to the quality of the wood now being used.
 
Most of the (Fender) basses that I try have one of the following problems:
  • Dead spot on G string
  • Dull E string
  • Weak G string
  • Excess weight
  • Misconnected electronics
  • etc...
Sounds about normal, to me, from what I have tried out at stores, recently (in the USA).

What I'd like to know is, how authentic is the food at this restaurant?

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Dinner on me, if you can get here to try it. :thumbsup:
 
Defective Basses Sent To Developing Countries?
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All this time, I thought it was the other way around

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I have a bad feeling about Fenders I can see around big music shops (in Prague, Czech rep). They look nice (before you look too close). But when I try to play some, I'm almost always dissatisfied - they don't fit very easily in my hand, and the sound is okay, but not THE sound.
That's not just in your country and developing countries. I am quite dissatisfied with the pickups Fender uses in their AmOrig's and below, at least the Precisions. OTOH, once you put a good pickup in them and do a good setup, they're terrific.

As for dead spots, Fenders have had them since the beginning of Fender.
 
This may sound like a conspiracy theory, but it's actually a sincere curiosity of mine.

I live in Turkey - which is a developing country. Whenever I go to a major music store to check some basses, I leave the store dissatisfied. Most of the (Fender) basses that I try have one of the following problems:
  • Dead spot on G string
  • Dull E string
  • Weak G string
  • Excess weight
  • Misconnected electronics
  • etc...
Mexican, American, Elite, etc; doesn't matter. Only Custom Shops and a few production basses seem to be OK.

I thought that this was a Fender QC sloppiness issue. However; I experienced the same with StingRay basses too. An Old Smoothie had the weakest G string I have ever seen (weaker than any other StingRay I played), and a shiny 5 string Special had a dead spot on the 7th fret of G string so bad that I could barely hear the note before it disappeared. That makes about 50% of all available StingRay basses.

I'm experienced enough to tell setup / EQ issues apart from acoustic / resonance issues; and the problems I'm talking about are definitely not setup / EQ issues.

So I can't help but ask: Do companies send defective basses to developing countries; assuming that they will be despairingly accepted? Or do fellow bass players in developed countries experience the same?

As of today; I'm hanging on to my rare impeccable American P Bass as hard as I can, because I don't know if / when I might encounter another one.

It may be because of the atmospheric conditions of being stored in a shipping container on an ocean voyage or harbor dock for who knows how long, the problem with dead notes might be caused by dead strings, and could also foul up the electronics.
 
Well Fender style basses that includ EBMM ... have many quirk because of how they are made. This include dead spot on the G strings and sometimes bad G or E strings.

Even if they ask for a lot of money for those, they are mass produced instrument and so the fastest and lowest cost is a must.

And so for dead spot you may add more mass on the neck or remove mass with light tuner etc ... which could put the dead spot on a much worst place ... Never had that problem with Spector, Warwick or Ibanez.

For the crap electronics, you will have to redo the soldering. Not too bad on a passif bass ... but still frustrating.

For the week G and or E, you may need to change strings and probably raise or lower the pickup to help.

I prefer other brands that found ways around the problems of Fender and Fender inspired instrument.
 
Well lets say Japan gets the cream of the crop from every manufacturer because the competition is so stiff.
Perhaps you're one of the unfortunate ones who really CAN tell a huge difference with the high end stuff.
Or more likely the high end stuff gets new strings and a better setup.
Are you certain your dealer is authorized? Its not unheard of for new B stock guitars to be sold by non-dealers.

I was the product manager/designer for a company that handled a lot of imports from China into America, and drop shipments from our suppliers in China to other nations (Argentina, India, Pakistan, etc). My boss did not send me on trips to China to examine container loads of guitars to make sure that they were "defective enough" to be sent to "developing nations", quite the opposite. These were lucrative deals for us. If I got one complaint on a shipment I might well have been fired. We took quality of items shipped to our international partners EXTREMELY seriously, more so than the US market to be honest.

You'd have to be out of your mind to send B-stock as your international shipments. Even back then in the late 1990s, international sales were a large part of our income stream. They're more so now, and they'll be much more in the future. America isn't going to be king of the world for much longer. The guys in the executive suites have known that for years. And been acting accordingly.

ETA: Turkey is not a developing country. You guys are pretty first-world these days.
They guys in the executive suites have been seeing to it for years, anyway.
 
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This may sound like a conspiracy theory, but it's actually a sincere curiosity of mine.

I live in Turkey - which is a developing country. Whenever I go to a major music store to check some basses, I leave the store dissatisfied. Most of the (Fender) basses that I try have one of the following problems:
  • Dead spot on G string
  • Dull E string
  • Weak G string
  • Excess weight
  • Misconnected electronics
  • etc...
Mexican, American, Elite, etc; doesn't matter. Only Custom Shops and a few production basses seem to be OK.

I thought that this was a Fender QC sloppiness issue. However; I experienced the same with StingRay basses too. An Old Smoothie had the weakest G string I have ever seen (weaker than any other StingRay I played), and a shiny 5 string Special had a dead spot on the 7th fret of G string so bad that I could barely hear the note before it disappeared. That makes about 50% of all available StingRay basses.

I'm experienced enough to tell setup / EQ issues apart from acoustic / resonance issues; and the problems I'm talking about are definitely not setup / EQ issues.

So I can't help but ask: Do companies send defective basses to developing countries; assuming that they will be despairingly accepted? Or do fellow bass players in developed countries experience the same?

As of today; I'm hanging on to my rare impeccable American P Bass as hard as I can, because I don't know if / when I might encounter another one.
Have noticed some things like b-stock and instruments with neck issues being sold on eBay more so from certain countries. That’s about it though
 
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Welcome to my world, it's called having High Expectations!

I lived in a developing country for a long time & TBH I blamed deficiencies on the fact of where I was. Then I returned to North America & found out it wasn't that different here.

Some things are better, like driving w/o fearing for my life or having constant electrical power, even in a storm. (usually)
 
I believe WTO had World set in A, B and C quality by regions/countries. That was old world of trade, after WWII.
A - USA and Japan
B - Europe (western), Australia and Canada
C - rest of it...

Things are changing, thanks to Walmart and others, who are importing more junk from anywhere they can grab.

It sounds like what you are referring to is report of quality standards of manufacturing production by country ranked in categories. Nothing to do with shipping.

I also think what is going on is LGS in Turkey and elsewhere are buying excessive stock from foreign retail stores and importing them. Better profit margin, but what gets unsold is probably the less than stellar players and has been demo'd by many.

OP, you would be better off writing Fender and asking if those certain stores are authorized Fender dealers, and go from there. I would think those stores are not.

EBMM will tell you who they sold the bass to. All you need is the serial number and their website forum address. EB has publicly stated they have problems with unauthorized retailers maintaining quality standards.