TalkBass has been independent since 1998. Add your voice.
Create a free account to reply to discussions, view embedded media, and browse with fewer display ads.
Join free Log in
Want zero display ads or expanded classifieds tools? Compare plans.
FYI From the Googles:This may sound like a conspiracy theory, but it's actually a sincere curiosity of mine.
I live in Turkey - which is a developing country.
This may sound like a conspiracy theory, but it's actually a sincere curiosity of mine.
I live in Turkey - which is a developing country. Whenever I go to a major music store to check some basses, I leave the store dissatisfied. Most of the (Fender) basses that I try have one of the following problems:
Mexican, American, Elite, etc; doesn't matter. Only Custom Shops and a few production basses seem to be OK.
- Dead spot on G string
- Dull E string
- Weak G string
- Excess weight
- Misconnected electronics
- etc...
I thought that this was a Fender QC sloppiness issue. However; I experienced the same with StingRay basses too. An Old Smoothie had the weakest G string I have ever seen (weaker than any other StingRay I played), and a shiny 5 string Special had a dead spot on the 7th fret of G string so bad that I could barely hear the note before it disappeared. That makes about 50% of all available StingRay basses.
I'm experienced enough to tell setup / EQ issues apart from acoustic / resonance issues; and the problems I'm talking about are definitely not setup / EQ issues.
So I can't help but ask: Do companies send defective basses to developing countries; assuming that they will be despairingly accepted? Or do fellow bass players in developed countries experience the same?
As of today; I'm hanging on to my rare impeccable American P Bass as hard as I can, because I don't know if / when I might encounter another one.
It is worldwide.This may sound like a conspiracy theory, but it's actually a sincere curiosity of mine.
I live in Turkey - which is a developing country. Whenever I go to a major music store to check some basses, I leave the store dissatisfied. Most of the (Fender) basses that I try have one of the following problems:
Mexican, American, Elite, etc; doesn't matter. Only Custom Shops and a few production basses seem to be OK.
- Dead spot on G string
- Dull E string
- Weak G string
- Excess weight
- Misconnected electronics
- etc...
I thought that this was a Fender QC sloppiness issue. However; I experienced the same with StingRay basses too. An Old Smoothie had the weakest G string I have ever seen (weaker than any other StingRay I played), and a shiny 5 string Special had a dead spot on the 7th fret of G string so bad that I could barely hear the note before it disappeared. That makes about 50% of all available StingRay basses.
I'm experienced enough to tell setup / EQ issues apart from acoustic / resonance issues; and the problems I'm talking about are definitely not setup / EQ issues.
So I can't help but ask: Do companies send defective basses to developing countries; assuming that they will be despairingly accepted? Or do fellow bass players in developed countries experience the same?
As of today; I'm hanging on to my rare impeccable American P Bass as hard as I can, because I don't know if / when I might encounter another one.
Sounds about normal, to me, from what I have tried out at stores, recently (in the USA).Most of the (Fender) basses that I try have one of the following problems:
- Dead spot on G string
- Dull E string
- Weak G string
- Excess weight
- Misconnected electronics
- etc...
That's not just in your country and developing countries. I am quite dissatisfied with the pickups Fender uses in their AmOrig's and below, at least the Precisions. OTOH, once you put a good pickup in them and do a good setup, they're terrific.I have a bad feeling about Fenders I can see around big music shops (in Prague, Czech rep). They look nice (before you look too close). But when I try to play some, I'm almost always dissatisfied - they don't fit very easily in my hand, and the sound is okay, but not THE sound.
This may sound like a conspiracy theory, but it's actually a sincere curiosity of mine.
I live in Turkey - which is a developing country. Whenever I go to a major music store to check some basses, I leave the store dissatisfied. Most of the (Fender) basses that I try have one of the following problems:
Mexican, American, Elite, etc; doesn't matter. Only Custom Shops and a few production basses seem to be OK.
- Dead spot on G string
- Dull E string
- Weak G string
- Excess weight
- Misconnected electronics
- etc...
I thought that this was a Fender QC sloppiness issue. However; I experienced the same with StingRay basses too. An Old Smoothie had the weakest G string I have ever seen (weaker than any other StingRay I played), and a shiny 5 string Special had a dead spot on the 7th fret of G string so bad that I could barely hear the note before it disappeared. That makes about 50% of all available StingRay basses.
I'm experienced enough to tell setup / EQ issues apart from acoustic / resonance issues; and the problems I'm talking about are definitely not setup / EQ issues.
So I can't help but ask: Do companies send defective basses to developing countries; assuming that they will be despairingly accepted? Or do fellow bass players in developed countries experience the same?
As of today; I'm hanging on to my rare impeccable American P Bass as hard as I can, because I don't know if / when I might encounter another one.
They guys in the executive suites have been seeing to it for years, anyway.I was the product manager/designer for a company that handled a lot of imports from China into America, and drop shipments from our suppliers in China to other nations (Argentina, India, Pakistan, etc). My boss did not send me on trips to China to examine container loads of guitars to make sure that they were "defective enough" to be sent to "developing nations", quite the opposite. These were lucrative deals for us. If I got one complaint on a shipment I might well have been fired. We took quality of items shipped to our international partners EXTREMELY seriously, more so than the US market to be honest.
You'd have to be out of your mind to send B-stock as your international shipments. Even back then in the late 1990s, international sales were a large part of our income stream. They're more so now, and they'll be much more in the future. America isn't going to be king of the world for much longer. The guys in the executive suites have known that for years. And been acting accordingly.
ETA: Turkey is not a developing country. You guys are pretty first-world these days.
Have noticed some things like b-stock and instruments with neck issues being sold on eBay more so from certain countries. That’s about it thoughThis may sound like a conspiracy theory, but it's actually a sincere curiosity of mine.
I live in Turkey - which is a developing country. Whenever I go to a major music store to check some basses, I leave the store dissatisfied. Most of the (Fender) basses that I try have one of the following problems:
Mexican, American, Elite, etc; doesn't matter. Only Custom Shops and a few production basses seem to be OK.
- Dead spot on G string
- Dull E string
- Weak G string
- Excess weight
- Misconnected electronics
- etc...
I thought that this was a Fender QC sloppiness issue. However; I experienced the same with StingRay basses too. An Old Smoothie had the weakest G string I have ever seen (weaker than any other StingRay I played), and a shiny 5 string Special had a dead spot on the 7th fret of G string so bad that I could barely hear the note before it disappeared. That makes about 50% of all available StingRay basses.
I'm experienced enough to tell setup / EQ issues apart from acoustic / resonance issues; and the problems I'm talking about are definitely not setup / EQ issues.
So I can't help but ask: Do companies send defective basses to developing countries; assuming that they will be despairingly accepted? Or do fellow bass players in developed countries experience the same?
As of today; I'm hanging on to my rare impeccable American P Bass as hard as I can, because I don't know if / when I might encounter another one.
I believe WTO had World set in A, B and C quality by regions/countries. That was old world of trade, after WWII.
A - USA and Japan
B - Europe (western), Australia and Canada
C - rest of it...
Things are changing, thanks to Walmart and others, who are importing more junk from anywhere they can grab.
You see: Conspiracy Theory
I see: typical mass-produced QC & upkeep in many retail outlets no matter the country.
You see: Conspiracy Theory
I see: typical mass-produced QC & upkeep in many retail outlets no matter the country.