Developing Light Skin in Europe

[Wood and Wire]

Tonewood?

Oh great!

So it turns out, that from an aesthetic point of view, I am a white supremacist.

Terrific.

Thanks!

 

[Wood and Wire]

Vitamin D deficiency will damage your ability to reproduce.

Right. Who wants to hook up with someone that doesn't have a hot beach bod?

 

[scott sinner]

AKA "skin cancer susceptible skin". Sigh. Always tradeoffs involved. Amazing that Vitamin D is important enough to be worth the increased risk.

My little sister is a genetics professor. She had pointed out some rather obvious things that I hadn’t thought of re how the skin cancer aspect isn’t really feasible to drive naturally selective evolution because
1) death from skin cancer would occur far after breeding age in our ancestral past (though not to discount the smaller community advantages of skilled/knowledgeable elders (ie. 30 year olds contributing to the family) and
2) the change in rates of skin cancer from dark skin to less isn’t statistically significant enough to compare to other suspected common causes of death back then.

 

[Wood and Wire]

There's one for the accidental band name thread (or it would at least be a killer prog rock album title )

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mHtFVFH_OT5HoIxVCufS3png-dFXQS0as&playnext=1&index=1

 

[bholder]

The historic Jesus, or more likely Jeshua, probably looked like a modern Ethiopian or maybe Egyptian. He certainly wasn't a Swede!

My little sister is a genetics professor. She had pointed out some rather obvious things that I hadn’t thought of re how the skin cancer aspect isn’t really feasible to drive naturally selective evolution because
1) death from skin cancer would occur far after breeding age in our ancestral past (though not to discount the smaller community advantages of skilled/knowledgeable elders (ie. 30 year olds contributing to the family) and
2) the change in rates of skin cancer from dark skin to less isn’t statistically significant enough to compare to other suspected common causes of death back then.

True. We weren't (and still aren't, naturally) the top of the food chain by a long shot.

 

[Dr. Cheese]

True. We weren't (and still aren't, naturally) the top of the food chain by a long shot.

I would argue we are naturally at the top of the food chain because our tool making and environment altering capacities we have are a natural byproduct of our brains and hands. Our brains and hands are as natural as a tiger’s claws and fangs.

 

[Tom Bomb]

Next time I see a lioness and her extensive pride, on the march, toting AK47s, I'll be back.​

 

[bholder]

Next time I see a lioness and her extensive pride, on the march, toting AK47s, I'll be back.​

...I dunno, I rather expect that if things get to the point of lions carrying AKs, I'm thinking maybe you won't be back.

 

[Tom Bomb]

Opposable thumbs — I think I'll be back safe ​

 

[GregC]

There's one for the accidental band name thread (or it would at least be a killer prog rock album title )

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cro-Mags

 

[Gaolee]

Agreed. And I don't care.

I actually like it a lot.

 

[Gaolee]

Opposable thumbs — I think I'll be back safe ​

I kinda miss opposable toes and a prehensile tila, though. Those were incredibly useful at times, especially for dealing with hard to open jars and other packaging.

 

[hbarcat]

You make a good point, but I want to make clear that I'm not writing a scientific paper on the subject. It was just something that reminded me of something else. No scientific connection.
I think my point was, it's unlikely that 2 groups of frogs will evolve intellectually and one day they will say to each other: "hey man, we're all the same,...let's just drop the color crap and hang out".
Humans are a little further along, but we still have one foot in primordial pool.
There are natural mechanisms in the frogs that recognize and acknowledge a frog that is colored differently. Those mechanisms, whatever they are, cause them to interact differently with those frogs than frogs of their own color.
Are they the exact same mechanisms that cause humans to behave in very similar ways? I don't know. I just saw one behavior and it reminded me of the other and I made a point about how frogs can't help it,.....but humans can. Well,... Humans are about halfway there. We still have some evolving to do. But this stuff takes time.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadows_of_Forgotten_Ancestors_(book)

 

[RichterScale]

I would be very interested in reading it,.....except it was written in 1996.
If it proclaims to know the timeline of when culture and civilization developed, I'll have to pass. Too many things discovered in just the last 20 yrs that rewrite all the books.
Or is it strictly about biology?

 

[RichterScale]

Wait a minute........
I just looked up his bio and he died in 96(?) and Druyan was his 3rd wife.
I'm guessing his first 2 wives and 5 kids got whatever he was worth when he croaked, so she just slapped his name on it so sell a few?
Or, maybe it was something he wrote and never published and she slapped her name on it after he died?
I dunno, I just feel like there's a lotta drama going on in that family and I'm not sure I wanna get involved.

 

[Dr. Cheese]

Apparently, the ice age almost wiped out the human race, reducing the entire human population down to approximately two thousand breeding pairs, on the entire planet.

If those hardy folk only survived, by fighting their competition for resources, and we're all descended from those 2000, then it stands to reason that we'd all have inherited the distilled a-hole / survivor gene (trait).

What is your source? I do not think the drop off was that severe outside of the glaciated areas.

 

[HaphAsSard]

Wait a minute........
I just looked up his bio and he died in 96(?) and Druyan was his 3rd wife.
I'm guessing his first 2 wives and 5 kids got whatever he was worth when he croaked, so she just slapped his name on it so sell a few?
Or, maybe it was something he wrote and never published and she slapped her name on it after he died?
I dunno, I just feel like there's a lotta drama going on in that family and I'm not sure I wanna get involved.

Uncalled for. You are (and were at the time of this post) one click away from knowing about her:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Druyan

 

[RichterScale]

Uncalled for.

It was humor.
But you're probably right.

 

[RichterScale]

What is your source? I do not think the drop off was that severe outside of the glaciated areas.

There were several global catastrophies during human existence. I think at least one of them nearly took us out, but I don't believe it was the flooding and rapid sea level rise from the end of the last ice age.

 

[RichterScale]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_catastrophe_theory