Dingwall Owners Club

[been_effected]

Well, it took longer than expected, but my ears finally got to taste the tone of FDV's in my four-string NG-2 and they are diggin' what they're hearin'. I hard-wired both pickups in series (my favorite). Though the dimensions of the pickups were in spec according to Dingwall, the bridge pickup was a few fractions of a millimeter too wide (Jeff thought it possible that the cavity had shrunk a bit) and would not fit into its cavity. A few minutes with a metal file to remove the flare at the bottom of the pickup (which occurred during potting) was all it took to enable proper fitting. I've been playing with the pickups in parallel into my 800+ powering a MAS 1,8 w/tweet and it's sounding sweet. I usually play my basses in rotation and this one's turn was last Sunday. I may have to give it double time and bring it with me again tomorrow so I can hear it through the Reeves/Bodai rig...

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Nice looking bridge too!

 

[been_effected]

On that note, does anyone know if Payson are considering doing a 6-string bridge replacement?
Guessing it's probably not as popular as the 4 and 5-string variants...

 

[Selta]

On that note, does anyone know if Payson are considering doing a 6-string bridge replacement?
Guessing it's probably not as popular as the 4 and 5-string variants...

Ask the man himself, @Blues Cat

 

[J Posega]

Payson nickels vs. Dingwall nickels? What are the Reduced Core Paysons like compared to the Dingwall nickels?

After playing my basses yesterday I’ve decided to stick with standard tuning; it just works and until I get back to the US and get someone to craft a replacement nut for each, I don’t want to make any changes.

 

[bebass]

Everyone knows how great the 37" B is. The first time I rested the upper horn of my four string NG to play acoustically (and rattle my brain in a nice way ), I was noodling around, having fun on the A, D, and G strings. Then I hit that open 36.25" E. I was amazed at the power. My brain didn't turn to jelly, but wow. I love it. It sounds right good amplified too. String spacing? I'm not sure. I adjusted the Payson where it felt good to me, but I didn't measure it...

I have always liked longer scale basses even before I saw a Dingwall. Simple physics tells us there is MORE. Add Fan Fret to the equation and .... we have optimized.

 

[packrat]

The fanning really does change the feel.

 

[BuffaloBob4343]

Payson nickels vs. Dingwall nickels? What are the Reduced Core Paysons like compared to the Dingwall nickels?

After playing my basses yesterday I’ve decided to stick with standard tuning; it just works and until I get back to the US and get someone to craft a replacement nut for each, I don’t want to make any changes.

There is a discernable difference between the Paysons and the Dingwall strings. I find the Paysons to have more focus on the fundamental, a bit less harmonic content (this is my highly non-professioanl opinion, so I could be completely wrong! ). They are bit higher in tension, with the reduced cores having more tension but not as much as the non reduced core strings. I think it will be a matter of taste, and perhaps application as to which you like better.

 

[xnewyorka]

There is a discernable difference between the Paysons and the Dingwall strings. I find the Paysons to have more focus on the fundamental, a bit less harmonic content (this is my highly non-professioanl opinion, so I could be completely wrong! ). They are bit higher in tension, with the reduced cores having more tension but not as much as the non reduced core strings. I think it will be a matter of taste, and perhaps application as to which you like better.

FWIW, my observations agree with Buffalo Bob's. I have a new AB2HS which came with Paysons, and I am really digging how heavy they sound, especially at the bottom end.

 

[BuffaloBob4343]

FWIW, my observations agree with Buffalo Bob's. I have a new AB2HS which came with Paysons, and I am really digging how heavy they sound, especially at the bottom end.

I was thinking that they would serve a heavier type of music really well. I play some hard rock, but don't have a lot of experience in metal type stuff. But that focus on the fundamental has to make them highly suited to that.

 

[Flabzilla]

FWIW, my observations agree with Buffalo Bob's. I have a new AB2HS which came with Paysons, and I am really digging how heavy they sound, especially at the bottom end.

Are these stainless steel, nickel?

 

[xnewyorka]

Are these stainless steel, nickel?

Dunno - I'm definitely going to find out though by asking the guy from whom I bought the bass. Because I definitely want to buy some more of these strings, not just for this bass but to try on other models.

 

[AB Nate]

Dunno - I'm definitely going to find out though by asking the guy from whom I bought the bass. Because I definitely want to buy some more of these strings, not just for this bass but to try on other models.

What color are the string loops? Purple or red?

Also there is usually a visible difference in the stainless when held up beside nickel. The stainless are “darker”

 

[AB Nate]

I was thinking that they would serve a heavier type of music really well. I play some hard rock, but don't have a lot of experience in metal type stuff. But that focus on the fundamental has to make them highly suited to that.

I love the cut of the stainless for playing metal. The nickels have a Warmer bottom end IMO. Either flavor is awesome depending on preference.

 

[xnewyorka]

I was thinking that they would serve a heavier type of music really well. I play some hard rock, but don't have a lot of experience in metal type stuff. But that focus on the fundamental has to make them highly suited to that.

I tend to think that the Paysons would also be very appropriate for R&B, Disco, Reggae, Smooth Jazz, and any other type of music that benefits from a fundamental-heavy bass. I have also noticed that a lot of metal these days is heavy on the bottom, very scooped mids, and lots of overtone-rich highs, often with distortion. These strings do sound good for that, but so do the Dingwall strings. In fact, if using a Darkglass distortion pedal, it is better to cut the bass a little bit from the instrument anyway, and restore it later in the signal chain.

 

[been_effected]

Ask the man himself, @Blues Cat

Thanks Selta, I couldn't remember his TB name

 

[xnewyorka]

What color are the string loops? Purple or red?

Also there is usually a visible difference in the stainless when held up beside nickel. The stainless are “darker”

The ball ends are black. Not sure if ball ends are the same thing as string loops? The bottom three strings are tapered so the full winding doesn't pass over the saddles.

 

[AB Nate]

The ball ends are black. Not sure if ball ends are the same thing as string loops? The bottom three strings are tapered so the full winding doesn't pass over the saddles.

Lol. I didn’t remember the term ball ends. Mine makes sense too I think.

I don’t believe I have seen black ball end paysons. My stainless are purple and I believe the reduced core ones I’ve had were red.

 

[xnewyorka]

Lol. I didn’t remember the term ball ends. Mine makes sense too I think.

I don’t believe I have seen black ball end paysons. My stainless are purple and I believe the reduced core ones I’ve had were red.

According to this site, the string loop is the portion of wire that wraps around the ball end:
http://www.professorstring.com/string_secrets_ball-ends.php
So I learned something new today!

I measured the strings, and they are .045, .065, .085, .105, .130, which rules out the Medium Light nickels, but it means they could be either the standard nickel or stainless, since both are the same gauges. Looks like I'll be asking @Blues Cat which ones have black ball-ends.

 

[Blues Cat]

On that note, does anyone know if Payson are considering doing a 6-string bridge replacement?
Guessing it's probably not as popular as the 4 and 5-string variants...

We don’t have plans for a 6 six bridge at this time. We have a limited number of the Payson bridges left in 4 and 5 string configs.

We are about to drop the Payson Mega P53 using Babicz solo rails. I love their smooth edges and lock down capabilities. The Mega P52-SR Blackbird (SR placement) and Mega P51 are soon to follow.

There is a discernable difference between the Paysons and the Dingwall strings. I find the Paysons to have more focus on the fundamental, a bit less harmonic content (this is my highly non-professioanl opinion, so I could be completely wrong! ). They are bit higher in tension, with the reduced cores having more tension but not as much as the non reduced core strings. I think it will be a matter of taste, and perhaps application as to which you like better.

Everyone hears differently, but you’re correct. There’s all the harmonics, but with more low mid punch and energy. They’re our hotest Energy-wise Fanned String set imho.

FWIW, my observations agree with Buffalo Bob's. I have a new AB2HS which came with Paysons, and I am really digging how heavy they sound, especially at the bottom end.

I like the added punch myself.

What color are the string loops? Purple or red?

Also there is usually a visible difference in the stainless when held up beside nickel. The stainless are “darker”

Payson Fanned NS-Reduced Cores = all red ball ends
PFSS = all purple ball ends
PFNS-Medium Lights = all black ball ends
PFGWFlats = all green ball ends (out of stock)
Payson Fanned True Flats = all silver ball ends

I love the cut of the stainless for playing metal. The nickels have a Warmer bottom end IMO. Either flavor is awesome depending on preference.

The PFSS’s grind better for metal. More upper mid bite, with slightly more low end with the relatively larger string guages.

The ball ends are black. Not sure if ball ends are the same thing as string loops? The bottom three strings are tapered so the full winding doesn't pass over the saddles.

Those would be the PFNS-Medium Light set. We definitely try to use tapering on the larger strings. We even use a tapered .065” which is unique.

Lol. I didn’t remember the term ball ends. Mine makes sense too I think.

I don’t believe I have seen black ball end paysons. My stainless are purple and I believe the reduced core ones I’ve had were red.

Correct AB. Thank you for your continued support. Bass Direct is definitely your go to dealer for the UK.

 

[been_effected]

We don’t have plans for a 6 six bridge at this time. We have a limited number of the Payson bridges left in 4 and 5 string configs.

We are about to drop the Payson Mega P53 using Babicz solo rails. I love their smooth edges and lock down capabilities. The Mega P52-SR Blackbird (SR placement) and Mega P51 are soon to follow.

Thanks BC - figured I'd ask in case my 6-string Combustion 3X demo turns out to be a keeper, would love to upgrade the bridge in it but I understand if that's not possible