Dingwall Owners Club

[Derek Williams]

very nice!!! Sounds great in the vid!

what is the 5th knob? Isn’t the neve a 2 band?

They added a tone knob as well which works in both active and passive mode.

 

[AB Nate]

They added a tone knob as well which works in both active and passive mode.

Ah. Makes sense. Instead of treble/ tone or something. Also makes it more versatile to swap for a 3 band if desired.

 

[silky smoove]

Have they published what the center frequencies of the Neve preamp are?

Also; Does it have an active/passive bypass?

 

[Element Zero]

Or...just meet up with a Dingwall affectionado nearest you.

I’ve asked and no one ever responded.

 

[Element Zero]

You do realize that you are on a very slippery slope, right? Your life and what a bass guitar can be will change once you play one...

I worked at my local GC from ‘04-‘14… I’ve been down the ski slope and I know how to navigate it responsibly.

 

[gustobassman]

I’ve asked and no one ever responded.

I saw you made it to Carlsbad, if you are ever in San Diego before you take the DW plunge, hit me up.

 

[Element Zero]

I saw you made it to Carlsbad, if you are ever in San Diego before you take the DW plunge, hit me up.

I was at Seaworld last Monday too lol. Missed it by… that much.

 

[gustobassman]

They added a tone knob as well which works in both active and passive mode.

That's how my reggae NG3 is wired using the Nordstrand 2B. (Bass & treb) That passive tone rolled off with the SF2's is part of my "secret sauce".

I was at Seaworld last Monday too lol. Missed it by… that much.

Dude.. you really did. Im like 10 min from there, tops.

 

[cxcxcx]

Have they published what the center frequencies of the Neve preamp are?

Also; Does it have an active/passive bypass?

On the Dingwall site, published specs for The Rupert Neve Designs 2-Band EQ in the John Taylor bass are Bass: +/- 12db at 20Hz and Treble: +/- 12db at 4.4KHz. Same source mentions an active/passive bypass, John Fox mentions a tone rolloff in passive mode in the demo vid below.

That 20Hz bass frequency center seems a bit extreme and strange, since most preamps are around 40-50Hz. Neve is staffed by many bass players and apparently that’s what they arrived at. I’m thinking it might not be a standard shelving EQ. Now that it’s out I guess time will tell how it’s received, more so when the John Taylor bass gets in player’s hands.

 

[silky smoove]

That 20Hz bass frequency center seems a bit extreme and strange, since most preamps are around 40-50Hz. Neve is staffed by many bass players and apparently that’s what they arrived at. I’m thinking it might not be a standard shelving EQ. Now that it’s out I guess time will tell how it’s received, more so when the John Taylor bass gets in player’s hands.

That is low, but by the same token the 18khz treble band on the Glockenklang is similarly high. I suspect in both of these cases it’s not actually a shelving filter as you mentioned. Instead, I suspect it’s a peaking filter with a very wide Q factor. The bass and treble bands are both too low for my taste so I’ll sticking with my Glockenklang, but I would still love to A/B the two at some point. I’m sure the Neve sounds very nice.

 

[cxcxcx]

That is low, but by the same token the 18khz treble band on the Glockenklang is similarly high. I suspect in both of these cases it’s not actually a shelving filter as you mentioned. Instead, I suspect it’s a peaking filter with a very wide Q factor. The bass and treble bands are both too low for my taste so I’ll sticking with my Glockenklang, but I would still love to A/B the two at some point. I’m sure the Neve sounds very nice.

Bearing in mind there are variables involved, you can hear John Fox play a J5 with a Glock and one with a Neve, in separate videos. Right now, I still prefer the sound of the Glock, but there’s only that sample size so far. My Dingwall Z build slot has not come up yet, so I still have time to decide between the two preamps. I’m open to both, but I’m absolutely sure I like the Glock. I’ll probably default to that when the time comes.

 

[silky smoove]

I’ll probably default to that when the time comes.

Hard to go wrong with what you know works well for you already.

 

[LuxuriousMistak]

Im not much of a fretless player in honesty but I went a bit over the top when I spec’d mine. Dingwall wouldn’t do exactly what I wanted on the neck which was have luminlay side dots ON the frets, not in between them and I had an intermittent marker layout I was hoping to get done but that was a no go also…. Regardless they did send mine out the doors as a playable masterpiece. I had Maurillo Minas do some custom work on my neck once I received it and had ordered the neck completely unmarked for that reason.

I had 2 unlined fretless basses for a while and both were amazing. I really loved the sound of my Spector but I mostly play Dingwalls and found it way easier to play and intonate my dingwall over the Spector.

Interesting thanks for sharing! What did you have done to your dingwall neck? I'd love to see!

 

[1983L2000]

Ah. Makes sense. Instead of treble/ tone or something. Also makes it more versatile to swap for a 3 band if desired.

I heard an interview of Sheldon mentioning the passive tone (indeed also enabled in active mode) can be used quite effectively (including if I recall correctly to boost mids by rolling it off in conjuction with boosting treble). Along with what i heard on John's video, that sounds promising.

 

[1983L2000]

That is low, but by the same token the 18khz treble band on the Glockenklang is similarly high. I suspect in both of these cases it’s not actually a shelving filter as you mentioned. Instead, I suspect it’s a peaking filter with a very wide Q factor. The bass and treble bands are both too low for my taste so I’ll sticking with my Glockenklang, but I would still love to A/B the two at some point. I’m sure the Neve sounds very nice.

I'm inclined to not worry or overthink it too much - I think these Neve guys might know a thing or two about frequency filters!

 

[1983L2000]

Bearing in mind there are variables involved, you can hear John Fox play a J5 with a Glock and one with a Neve, in separate videos. Right now, I still prefer the sound of the Glock, but there’s only that sample size so far. My Dingwall Z build slot has not come up yet, so I still have time to decide between the two preamps. I’m open to both, but I’m absolutely sure I like the Glock. I’ll probably default to that when the time comes.

The difference between the two may be more about the pickups? I believe the Neve one is the first Ptone+SF2s with preamp that he demoed.

 

[Element Zero]

On the Dingwall site, published specs for The Rupert Neve Designs 2-Band EQ in the John Taylor bass are Bass: +/- 12db at 20Hz and Treble: +/- 12db at 4.4KHz. Same source mentions an active/passive bypass, John Fox mentions a tone rolloff in passive mode in the demo vid below.

That 20Hz bass frequency center seems a bit extreme and strange, since most preamps are around 40-50Hz. Neve is staffed by many bass players and apparently that’s what they arrived at. I’m thinking it might not be a standard shelving EQ. Now that it’s out I guess time will tell how it’s received, more so when the John Taylor bass gets in player’s hands.

Man… those last 2 settings sounded just incredible.

 

[silky smoove]

I'm inclined to not worry or overthink it too much

I'm an engineer, so my preference is always to understand how things work whenever I can.

I think these Neve guys might know a thing or two about frequency filters!

Indeed, but that doesn't mean the chosen frequency centers or Q factors will work for all use cases. Without having one to hear in-person I have to rely on the data, and that data suggests that for my purposes the Neve would not be a more appropriate preamp than the Glockenklang. If I get to hear one in person I might feel differently.

 

[AB Nate]

The difference between the two may be more about the pickups? I believe the Neve one is the first Ptone+SF2s with preamp that he demoed.

That P tone sounds delicious in that bass

 

[AB Nate]

Interesting thanks for sharing! What did you have done to your dingwall neck? I'd love to see!

unfortunately I don’t have pics on hand of the side dots but they are luminlay ON the lines starting on 1,3,5,7,9,double dots straddling the 12 and on and on to 24

Previously I had an idea similar to the broken lines they offer now only less then a full boards worth of lines but the answer was no it wasn’t a CNC program.