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Do bigger speakers easily fart out?

#22
kdogg said:
Try the EQ thing, as has been mentioned. If that doesn’t work, buy a new cab. I wouldn’t spend money on a high pass filter just to make on old bass cab stop farting out.

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Why would you rather spend $500+ on something you might not even need than $100 on a piece of gear that's useful in every scenario?

The only point of an HPF is to end over excursion and mud issues, which can even occur in very high end gear: my DB750 would have broken speakers in a variety of very high end 412, 810 & 410 cabs without an HPF in the chain, and my stage sound would have been worse without it as well.
 
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#23
Atshen said:
I have noticed that when I play fast tremolo picking through my 2x15 cab, it tends to fart out a lot unless I play very softly. When I do the same through a crappy little guitar combo with a 10" speaker, it sounds just fine.

So, do 15s tend to fart out more than smaller speakers, or are my old 15s just too… old? Thanks for your responses!
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You need an HPF, simple enough fix.

FDeck and Broughton both make good ones, as do DSMNoisemaker and Tech 21 :thumbsup:
 
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AstroSonic said:
What you need is a control that cuts the deep bass and allows adjustment of the frequency where cutting starts: an adjustable High Pass Filter (HPF). Such filters essentially filter out the deep lows without touching bass notes. An HPF will cost about as much as a pedal - a few of them are pedals or are a 'feature' on a pedal. It may seem a lot to spend on something that you can't hear. But an HPF would allow you to play those tremolo notes without fart-out. And it will pay for itself in the cost of drivers that you won't have to replace.
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Do what this guy suggests. Here's where I got mine:

HPF-Pre, updated September 26, 2017 - hpftechllc

It's worth every penny. A penny saved is a penny earned. The speaker in your 106 is ancient technology. This pedal will probably save the original speakers from destruction.

edit...get a series 3.
 
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#29
Atshen said:
Good point. Maybe some compression would fix or at least minimize the problem.

I have no problem when playing other styles. Sounds pretty good in fact.
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Compression will not fix it and most likely make it worse. A high pass filter would certainly help and it should be on every bass amp made. HPs were on GK800RBs and pretty much every other cool amp, and ALL mixing consoles. It limits extraneous sub harmonics that ask an amplifier and drivers to go places they would rather not be. Why did Mesa Boogie have two versions of their most wonderful Subway 800/plus. All bass amps should have a HP filter. Inexpensive and most wonderful filter.
 
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dawind99 said:
Compression will not fix it and most likely make it worse. A high pass filter would certainly help and it should be on every bass amp made. HPs were on GK800RBs and pretty much every other cool amp, and ALL mixing consoles. It limits extraneous sub harmonics that ask an amplifier and drivers to go places they would rather not be. Why did Mesa Boogie have two versions of their most wonderful Subway 800/plus. All bass amps should have a HP filter. Inexpensive and most wonderful filter.
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I think Markbass also have this feature. I will definitely have to try an HPF.
 
#35
Backing off on the bass knob can definitely help you out with not pushing your speakers but also if backed off just enough to help your speakers should also make you be perceived as louder. Too much of any frequency can be harmful though. But lows are the worst because they are harder to detect an excess of. Treble gets annoying sounding before an issue for me at least.
 
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Atshen said:
I have noticed that when I play fast tremolo picking through my 2x15 cab, it tends to fart out a lot unless I play very softly. When I do the same through a crappy little guitar combo with a 10" speaker, it sounds just fine.

So, do 15s tend to fart out more than smaller speakers, or are my old 15s just too… old? Thanks for your responses!
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The speakers are trying to compete with the speed. There's a lot of surface area there, and everytime a note is hit, they need to push it, retract, and push again. There's a reason why the vast majority of people play through a variety of 10s. They're quick, and sound killer with enough stacked.
 
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#39
Compression will typically not help because speakers fart out on transients, but a 0 attack LIMITER will definitely help as it will allow you to shave off the most offending transients. I cannot believe nobody suggested this.

Also a HPF is literally one resistor and capacitor. Hell, some bass guitars have a HPF circuit alongside LPF (usually known as tone control).
 
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InternetAlias said:
Compression will typically not help because speakers fart out on transients, but a 0 attack LIMITER will definitely help as it will allow you to shave off the most offending transients. I cannot believe nobody suggested this.

Also a HPF is literally one resistor and capacitor, you are getting ripped off if you pay anything above $10 for it unless it also does something else. Hell, some bass guitars have a HPF circuit alongside LPF (usually known as tone control).
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Hut-o
 

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