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Do I need to know theory to play?

I'm frustrated. Music theory is just not clicking with me. I feel like my brain just isn't wired to understand it. My instructor will go over something pretty basic, but then when he expands on it, or shows me something "that I can do now that I know that" I just don't get it. And it's driving me crazy and sapping my desire to practice. Honestly, I don't even know how to explain what he's showing me that I'm not getting...so yeah, that's where I'm at with theory.

I can play some songs based on tabs. Or my instructor will write out the song with just the chord in each measure & and I'll decide what note(s) I'll play to accompany the song. John Hiatt's "Dust Down A Country Road" for example. Instructor gave me the chords in each measure & I came up with a line pretty close to what Davey Faragher plays...but not exactly what he plays.

So I can do some things but I feel like I will only progress if I know some theory...but what if I just can't understand it? Am I sunk? If I simply can't understand theory what can I do?

Any and all advice is greatly appreciated!
 
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I'm frustrated. Music theory is just not clicking with me. I feel like my brain just isn't wired to understand it. My instructor will go over something pretty basic, but then when he expands on it, or shows me something "that I can do now that I know that" I just don't get it. And it's driving me crazy and sapping my desire to practice. Honestly, I don't even know how to explain what he's showing me that I'm not getting...so yeah, that's where I'm at with theory.

I can play some songs based on tabs. Or my instructor will write out the song with just the chord in each measure & and I'll decide what note(s) I'll play to accompany the song. John Hiatt's "Dust Down A Country Road" for example. Instructor gave me the chords in each measure & I came up with a line pretty close to what Davey Faragher plays...but not exactly what he plays.

So I can do some things but I feel like I will only progress if I know some theory...but what if I just can't understand it? Am I sunk? If I simply can't understand theory what can I do?

Any and all advice is greatly appreciated!

What can you do? You can still play, create, and express yourself through music... and learn theory along the way, both naturally through experience, and through actually focusing on theory itself as you advance.

Don't force it. Keep with it and you'll pick up what you need on the way. The biggest thing is that you have fun and don't get yourself to the point of frustration.

Enjoy the journey!
 
Depends what you mean by "theory" I guess.

I think the simplest definition of "music theory" is "understanding how music works."

Paul McCartney never had a formal music education. Does he understand "music theory"? Absolutely! Jimi Hendrix never learned to read music. Did he understand "music theory"? You betcha!

When your teacher shows you a new music theory concept, does he use actual musical examples from songs you know and love? For a lot of students, that is the disconnect: they don't see how the music theory concepts apply on a practical level. Don't be afraid to challenge your teacher a bit, and ask him to give you examples from famous songs.

Of course, you can do this yourself on your own time: Each time you learn a new theory concept, turn on the radio, and listen for songs that use that concept in action. :)
 
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I certainly helps. You can make a career out of playing by ear or reading notation. Plenty have.

But knowing theory is better.

Here's the difference.

Notation and memorized parts by ear are a map. A map will get you there. But you have to have the map. Without it, you're lost.

Theory is a compass and scouting skills. Give me a key and a couple of chords and I'll find my own way.... and creatively too.

If your fingers are progressing faster than your grasp of theory, that's nothing to stress over. Keep working on both. You'll get it.

Relax.
 
You don't need theory to create good music. The music comes first; theory then helps explain why the music works the way it does. Having a decent grasp of theory will, however, allow you to connect the dots faster and to be able to navigate your way through music in a more efficient and direct manner. It will help you conceptualize in certain ways and will also help give you the tools to better communicate with other musicians about music. But, again, musicality comes first and musicality will always trump theory. But the more informed you are (theory, knowledge of various musical styles, being able to read, etc.) the more complete you'll be as a musician - and the more likely it will be that certain doors will be open to you. Don't stress if it takes some time for the things you learn to really sink in. You need to give yourself time to assimilate what you are learning and a lot of that comes down to repetition. It isn't as if you just learn a bunch of principles and you're off. You need to play the music and give yourself time to see/hear what you are learning in the actual music itself. If you are learning about the ii-V-I progression you need to look at a bunch of different charts to see it in context. You also have to pinpoint where you are hearing it in the music (you've already heard it a million times so you have to then learn to identify when you are hearing it). Don't expect to make sudden giant strides (or steps as the case may be). Just keep moving forward and you will improve, guaranteed. And, for the record, I have been in your shoes, OP, and I am far from being a theory wiz. I still take lessons for this stuff and I understand how daunting it can be. Hang in there - it'll be worth it.
 
I'm frustrated. Music theory is just not clicking with me. I feel like my brain just isn't wired to understand it. My instructor will go over something pretty basic, but then when he expands on it, or shows me something "that I can do now that I know that" I just don't get it. And it's driving me crazy and sapping my desire to practice. Honestly, I don't even know how to explain what he's showing me that I'm not getting...so yeah, that's where I'm at with theory.

I can play some songs based on tabs. Or my instructor will write out the song with just the chord in each measure & and I'll decide what note(s) I'll play to accompany the song. John Hiatt's "Dust Down A Country Road" for example. Instructor gave me the chords in each measure & I came up with a line pretty close to what Davey Faragher plays...but not exactly what he plays.

So I can do some things but I feel like I will only progress if I know some theory...but what if I just can't understand it? Am I sunk? If I simply can't understand theory what can I do?

Any and all advice is greatly appreciated!

Theory is a huge subject to master and simultaneously simple and infinitely complicated. In all honesty you could study music for the rest of your life, and still have much to learn. You'll forget plenty along the way as well ;). I know this sounds intimidating, but there is no rush. Take your time and learn at your pace.

Here is some perspective. If you were studying in a formal environment you would be expected to spend most of every day studying and thinking about music. Even when fully immersed to this degree, it can take a couple of years before everything really starts to click. You have to learn foundational material and then build incrementally off of it for an extended time before you assemble enough of the puzzle for the concepts to really start making sense and fitting together. In my experience, most music majors learn theory in a class and apply it by completing written assignments, which are usually worked out on piano.

Learning theory teaches you how to think about, interpret, discuss, and analyze music, etc. Unfortunately learning theory does not mean you will automatically be able to apply it directly to your instrument. At first trying to play while using theory is very difficult because you are essentially trying to do several things at once: keep track of time and feel; remember the key signature and think about the specific notes in each chord, listen to what everyone else is doing, interpret everything and decide what note to play and how to play it. But with time and practice, your mind and body creates essentially a library of automated patterns that you can easily apply with little thought.

The trick is to slow down as much as necessary to do the work and practice, practice, practice till it becomes automatic. You will notice your speed improves over time; however, when you learn new material that has a type of chord progression you are not familiar with, it's normal to slow down, analyze the chords and key centers, and practice slowly until the progression makes sense. This will be especially true if you play jazz, as jazz chord progression tend to modulate frequently and the tonal center is often ambiguous or perhaps modal.

If you're like me, you will find that you shift in and out of various thought processes while you are playing. For example, sometimes I play by ear, and sometimes I rely on theory to guide my fingers.

If you think your future is playing music, learning theory will likely open doors and take you significantly further than you will go by simply playing tab and copying recordings. At the very least theory makes music more engaging and involved.

Perhaps time management is a good thing to consider. You don't want to burn out. Dedicate some time to study and apply theory, but also set aside time to have fun.

Good luck!
 
Nope.
I'll give a real world example:
Tell that teacher that he needs to find a better way to explain that stuff; if he doesn't, drop a big steamy deuce right on his floor.
That's gravity.
You didnt have to understand how gravity works to make it work for you.
 
Do I need to know theory to play?
Short answer: No.
There are plenty of things you can do without knowing theory. Like play notation (if you’ve learned it), learn a song by ear (if you have a good ear), play tabs (if you can find accurate ones).

I’m not sure how you know what notes to play in a chord chart without theory, unless you only play roots.
 
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... or shows me something "that I can do now that I know that"...

Clearly you don't "know that". A common mistake teachers make is to think that because they've taught something, the student has learned it. Your understanding of music is in your own head, and learning more involves developing and changing what you have in your head. So where YOU are now is where a good teacher will start. This involves actually listening to your student, and working out where they are.

Tell your teacher you don't know things, and if he doesn't listen, find a new teacher.

This works both ways, by the way...are you listening properly to your teacher and asking the right questions?
 
It always needs to be said: theory is a series of explanations, not rules.

Anyway, you might need time to let it soak in. I took a theory class in my last year of high school, and was completely lost. After graduating, I went to junior college and took theory again. Somehow over the Summer it clicked into place and I found it all made sense.
 
"No" and "Yes". Like many others already said, theory gets you there faster and allows you to achieve so much more. Like TwoFingers said, theory is a strong foundation. I like to compare it (not to a map and a compass) to learning to read (by learning all the letters, pronunciation, accents, diphthong , etc). Kids can read their name when they first memorise its "shape", but from there they move to learning the letters, syllables, etc. After that they'll read like adults do: by quickly scanning and recognising full words, but you need the foundation first.

Does that make sense to you?
 
From your description, it sounds like you're able to play or improvise a line based on a chord progression or a lead sheet. For most musical styles that do not rely on playing written lines, this skill will hold you above water over 90% of the time, especially if your job is to pump roots. You know the chords and what notes go along with them - that's your bread and butter music theory for bassists right there. The other stuff is the cream on top and as said, theory is a lifelong endeavour - even the grandmasters of classical and neoclassical music, from Bach to Brahms or Stravinsky and Schönberg, they all studied theory their whole life. There is always something else to learn, so as long as you make the first step, the trail will lead you somewhere.
 
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If you are learning to play, fingers are biggest problem at first. After some time, fingers can play quite anything that your imagination can conceive. Learning theory is one very good way how to improve your imagination. Some people say they don't need to improve because they know all the ideas they need... could this thinking be inspirative?

Myself, what I know from theory I learned as a byproduct when composing, but I think that for a bass player the fastest way to learn 'practical theory' would be to attempt to learn walking bass. Can be done knowing almost nothing, and can take a lifetime of developing.
 
Understanding Music Theory will come to you in time. You just have to be patient and keep playing. Just be sure to devote some of your practice time towards studying music theory as well as play what is fun for you. Study time and fun time (learning to play songs) are both important. Playing what you really want to play will keep you motivated and studying music theory will help you understand why and how it works.

Put some structure into your practice/playing time each time you pick up the bass (which should be every day even it's just 15 minutes or so).
1. Warm up doing finger exercises. This will help your coordination and is your basic foundation to play a bass.
2. Practice your scales or whatever lesson your instructor assigns you.
3. Practice songs you like or better yet, practice songs your instructors assigns you that help reinforce the previous lesson
4. Play to a backing track, drum machine, metronome, or to a song on your sound system.
5. Play for enjoyment.
Repeat every day and you will get better. You have to put in the time and effort. It will pay off eventually and unfortunately there is no getting around that and there are no short cuts.
 
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I used to have the same frustration as you. While I'm no expert on theory, it's starting to make sense. I used a spreadsheet to map out every note on the neck, then built a table that shows all the 1/2 and whole steps for every starting note. I notated how chords are spelled and printed off a circle of fifths chart.

I also made a PowerPoint presentation taking this information, expanding it to guitar, violin, and mandolin to build a class to teach at school. While I still refer to the reference charts when not playing in a familiar key, by putting the information together how I wanted to see it, then using it to build a class, I absorbed much of what originally didn't make sense to me.

"By teaching, we learn."
 
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