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Do most bassists use a compressor/limiter?

I don't use a compressor. I just don't like them for some reason.

I prefer having as much control as possible within my hand's reach, and a compressor seems antithetical to that notion.

That being said, some people really like them, and I have no problem with that :).

It's really just a taste thing, more or less. You can make some really interesting tones with a compressor/sustainer.
 
I'm pretty sure one of the problems many people have with compressors is that nobody ever taught them how to use one, and it's very easy to get bad results from a comp. With all the time people spend learning and playing music, it can seem like an unwanted pain in the butt to have to learn some extra piece of technology that just seems to mess things up. Plus, again, so many of the comps that people run into commonly are just not very good. So when a busy bassist plugs in to a comp, or turns up the comp knob on their amp, and gets nothing but mud with no dynamics, naturally there's a good chance he'll say "ah screw it, who needs the hassle".

No insult at all is intended by that observation--it's just what I think I see going on sometimes.

I still have trouble using them but I think I've figured something out for myself and I kind of want your experienced opinion on it. I've found that when I go from a heavy hand to a light hand it is a really effective tool to draw out the nuances of the light hand. My style is to normally play with a reasonably light touch (I never, in live context, get into anything so light as harmonics or similar) and then when I want to get a more extreme sound dig in. Having a compression level set low enough that it effects my standard playing seems to kill my 'extra' that I give.

As I write this it occurs to me that the suggestion would be to use a peak limiter, but I've yet to find that balance where I can hear the difference (either in my gear clipping or my ear) without feeling squashed.

Does this sound like I'm getting it but need some more experience/ better gear, or does this sound like bovine defecation.:help:
 
I am not the official spokesperson for "most vassists" but I use one because of my effects, and the output variences they can have. Unison gain can be tricky, especially with multiple effects interacting, and having something in line to keep the output from going completely out of control can save ears, speakers, and bandmates.

Mine's always on, last in my "chain".
 
My soundman always has a compressor on me. I have yet to record in a studio that doesn't have me run through some kind of limiter for tracking, and possibly a compressor after the fact, depending on the mix.

I don't use them much when left to my own devices, but that's mainly because the ones I like are in some studio's rack, and I'm not so attached to them that I'm looking to drop $x,xxx to get them in my bass rig.

I have yet to hear the compressor pedal that thrills me as a bassist. For guitar, I can think of a few off the top of my head that sound great.
 
I am not the official spokesperson for "most vassists" but I use one because of my effects, and the output variences they can have. Unison gain can be tricky, especially with multiple effects interacting, and having something in line to keep the output from going completely out of control can save ears, speakers, and bandmates.

Mine's always on, last in my "chain".

I actually never thought of this. I've always seen compressors at the beginning of a signal chain. This is a cool idea that I might try sometime:hyper:!
 
I've found that when I go from a heavy hand to a light hand it is a really effective tool to draw out the nuances of the light hand. My style is to normally play with a reasonably light touch ...and then when I want to get a more extreme sound dig in. Having a compression level set low enough that it effects my standard playing seems to kill my 'extra' that I give.

As I write this it occurs to me that the suggestion would be to use a peak limiter, but I've yet to find that balance where I can hear the difference (either in my gear clipping or my ear) without feeling squashed.

There are actually a myriad of possible answers/approaches to this. One thing to listen for, and experiment with, is the actual sound of the "extra" that you give.

For one example, theoretically if all that changes is the level of the signal, with no clipping anywhere, then that "extra" effectively has no distinguishing sound. It's just louder. If that is (or is close to) the case, and you find that the extra burst of loudness is really what you miss, then the solution is to get an amp with more headroom, and speakers that can handle higher wattage. That way you have greater dynamic range with no clipping, and a greater ability to use the louder peaks cleanly and without fear of speaker harm.

As another example, if you use an amp that overdrives nicely, and gives you a gritty or crunchy breakup whenever you hit those big peaks, and if you want that sound; then you'd probably benefit from either turning up the output gain of the compressor so that your overall signal is closer to that breaking-up point at all times, or you'd want to use a line-level peak limiter after the preamp section of the amp. A lot of amp heads have such a thing built in, but those usually don't sound very good. Or you might be in one of those cases where you really don't benefit from compression at all. That's completely legitimate.

Another (very common and likely) scenario is if the biggest tone change from that "extra" digging in is actually from the strings themselves, or the fret buzz and general clatter of a moment of heavy playing--IOW all in the bass itself, rather than the amp. A lot of that zing, grind, clatter, and buzz is in the upper frequency range--so if the comp you use happens to attenuate the highs when compressing heavily, then yep, it "kills" that extra tone. This is very common, especially from dbx comps. There are three main solutions:
--Use a comp that doesn't attenuate the highs so much, under heavy compression.
--Use a dual-band comp, so the highs aren't necessarily attenuated at all when you hit a big slap or pop or pluck with a lot of low-frequency energy;
--Use a comp that naturally enhances the high frequencies. Some of my reviews mention a particularly "zingy" or "bright" or "cutting" tone, and those would probably suit you.

Another angle, back to the limiter idea you mentioned, is to use a setting that I use more often than not: a high ratio with a very high threshold, and a very fast release time. That's a peak limiter, and if you dial it carefully, your signal is not affected at all until you hit peaks that you do not want to pass. A "better quality" pedal or rack capable of this setting should be able to do it without much noticeable tone loss. If there is still some amount of amp overdriving you want to achieve, you just set the make-up gain so the limited peaks still get up into the drive range you need.
 
Thanks for the response. My amp doesn't clip, but my interface does. I'm using an Alesis Micro Limiter for my limiter which I do like for squashing my Qtron+ (just learned this) and drawing out harmonics while practicing but maybe I need to get something (that doesn't suck, and with no dip and swell) with hard ratios and experiment with that a little. Eventually.

Thanks again.
 
I debate using my BBE because the effect is so minimal - generally that is a good thing, right - that I don't really hear it and then I wonder if I don't hear it, why use it? I set the compression knob at about 11:00 and volume to make up for it - usually around noon or 1:00 if I remember correctly.

I'm not sure if I'm really "fixing" anything with that setting, at least it doesn't seem audible so why bother. I don't like the more "extreme" settings. I don't use it for effect, just to smooth things out a bit - at least that is my intention.
 
I figure instead of starting yet another comp thread I`d just ask my question here...

I`ve been reading up about comps and I`ve decided that one might be beneficial in my playing.

Basically, I`m looking for one that can help keep my Micro Q Tron in control because it peaks like crazy at times, can help fatten up but keep the punch of my low end, can help even out my slap playing, and can be used for a slight "bow" effect when I set it to.

I know that Bongo has his review list, but there`s A LOT in there and I`m not sure where to begin :p

Any suggestions? I`m looking in the ball park of $150 new or used, although the cheaper the better ;)
 
There are actually a myriad of possible answers/approaches to this. One thing to listen for, and experiment with, is the actual sound of the "extra" that you give.

For one example, theoretically if all that changes is the level of the signal, with no clipping anywhere, then that "extra" effectively has no distinguishing sound. It's just louder. If that is (or is close to) the case, and you find that the extra burst of loudness is really what you miss, then the solution is to get an amp with more headroom, and speakers that can handle higher wattage. That way you have greater dynamic range with no clipping, and a greater ability to use the louder peaks cleanly and without fear of speaker harm.

As another example, if you use an amp that overdrives nicely, and gives you a gritty or crunchy breakup whenever you hit those big peaks, and if you want that sound; then you'd probably benefit from either turning up the output gain of the compressor so that your overall signal is closer to that breaking-up point at all times, or you'd want to use a line-level peak limiter after the preamp section of the amp. A lot of amp heads have such a thing built in, but those usually don't sound very good. Or you might be in one of those cases where you really don't benefit from compression at all. That's completely legitimate.

Another (very common and likely) scenario is if the biggest tone change from that "extra" digging in is actually from the strings themselves, or the fret buzz and general clatter of a moment of heavy playing--IOW all in the bass itself, rather than the amp. A lot of that zing, grind, clatter, and buzz is in the upper frequency range--so if the comp you use happens to attenuate the highs when compressing heavily, then yep, it "kills" that extra tone. This is very common, especially from dbx comps. There are three main solutions:
--Use a comp that doesn't attenuate the highs so much, under heavy compression.
--Use a dual-band comp, so the highs aren't necessarily attenuated at all when you hit a big slap or pop or pluck with a lot of low-frequency energy;
--Use a comp that naturally enhances the high frequencies. Some of my reviews mention a particularly "zingy" or "bright" or "cutting" tone, and those would probably suit you.

Another angle, back to the limiter idea you mentioned, is to use a setting that I use more often than not: a high ratio with a very high threshold, and a very fast release time. That's a peak limiter, and if you dial it carefully, your signal is not affected at all until you hit peaks that you do not want to pass. A "better quality" pedal or rack capable of this setting should be able to do it without much noticeable tone loss. If there is still some amount of amp overdriving you want to achieve, you just set the make-up gain so the limited peaks still get up into the drive range you need.

That was awesome.
 
What many people seem to not understand is that every nuance of their playing is heard better with properly-applied compression. Compression does not take away anything from the artist-instrument connection, because you actually hear what your fingers are doing more clearly. Again, when applied properly--not referring to low-quality pedals, low-quality one-knobbers built into a head, or improper usage.

Exactly!..I think most people are using these 2 knob compressors..not a proper one that actually costs a lot and does it's job...I have a Joe Meek Floor Q..it took a while to figure it out, but I have it on very minimally..does NOT affect dynamics..and this one is totally quiet and transparent..doesn't change my tone at all....for the odd popish tune can use it cranked just as a cool effect..
 
Just picked up a TE SMX but only messed with it a little so far. Trying to decide where in the chain it works best, for me. Was at the end of the board to experiment, didn’t stay for rehearsal. Now after reading this I want to patch it into the beginning of the signal path. Just to see if there is any advantage in my situation.
Fighting me is my getting an impression at my home rig then to practice rig in a band situation, totally different effect reactions...Not just the compressor.
Yesterday was interesting… Just rolling back the head preamp and pushing the main up. I seemed to level the signal quite a bit and give me the head room I wanted. I wasn’t digging near as much and was cutting through the mix well. Guys said I was a little loud. :P
I was palm muting a bit more in some parts and now curious how this compressor will assist in this live high gain scenario. Just looking for a goose in sustain without going to feedback zone.
 
In the studio yes(ussually a Keeley) Live not really. If i use compression live its more as an effect (that gets turned on and off) to even out notes for slapping or tapping parts. Pretty much every venue we play has a rack of dbx compressors and compress you already so i feel its unnesisary to run compression all the time. For slapping it can help protect your gear when you dig in hard. But I also feel like using any noticible amount of compression limits how dynamic you can play when playing finger style. You can hear subtle compression more in the studio, not so much live. A lot of players are really monotonous when it comes to dynamics because they always play with a compressor so they never develop that aspect of thier playing.
 
Exactly!..I think most people are using these 2 knob compressors..not a proper one that actually costs a lot and does it's job...I have a Joe Meek Floor Q..it took a while to figure it out, but I have it on very minimally..does NOT affect dynamics..and this one is totally quiet and transparent..doesn't change my tone at all....for the odd popish tune can use it cranked just as a cool effect..

By definition a compressor affects dynamics. It sounds, from your post, like you are using the pedal as more of a volume boost. Different things, really.
 
I'm pretty sure one of the problems many people have with compressors is that nobody ever taught them how to use one, and it's very easy to get bad results from a comp. With all the time people spend learning and playing music, it can seem like an unwanted pain in the butt to have to learn some extra piece of technology that just seems to mess things up. Plus, again, so many of the comps that people run into commonly are just not very good. So when a busy bassist plugs in to a comp, or turns up the comp knob on their amp, and gets nothing but mud with no dynamics, naturally there's a good chance he'll say "ah screw it, who needs the hassle".

No insult at all is intended by that observation--it's just what I think I see going on sometimes.

So what comp do you use?
 

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