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Do you or Beck support OWS?

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dsanders said:
Just noticed your reply been a crazy week. That's not a "I'm working" slight it's been busy. I actually don't watch Fox News, not that I likely wouldn't agree with their coverage I just don't make time for TV. Over the weekend I'll post a few things to legitimize my opinion.

As for the availability of quality jobs...if there aren't any where you are then move. You telling me that's difficult is obvious. But I've done it, moved to find better work.

If you need a job go elsewhere. Where I live quality jobs are bountiful in multiple industries. We are not the only city where that is the case.

What it comes down to is this: hardworking, positive people who are not afraid of doing what it takes will be working. There is no exception except where and individual considers themselves above a certain type of job. Again the "there are no quality jobs here" argument is very valid. Then move where you can get the type of work you love.
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@schlyder, Floyd Eye and dsanders:

I understand the values you are exposing. What many working people don't realize is that the top 1% gets more and more power by pitting the working class against itself. Instead of blaming the crooks who are taking away our ability to make a living, we blame those who have less than we do (the unemployed and poverty stricken). OWS is calling attention to the theft of our Democracy. !Viva 99%!

"...30 of America’s top corporations paid no federal taxes in the last three years, according to Citizens for Tax Justice and the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy. Due to tax breaks, credits and subsidies, many actually had a negative tax rate, despite earning a total of over $160 billion in pretax profits during that period."

Read more: While More People Fall Into Poverty, 30 Corporations Paid No Federal Taxes | Care2 Causes
 
#42
smeet said:
The pioneers did not have the technological means to provide everybody in the country with adequate and high quality food, shelter, clothing, and medical care. We do. The reason people don't have this is that almost all of the wealth is concentrated in the hands of a few people.

All those generations of people slaved and killed themselves so their descendants could have a chance at better lives. Do you think they would be happy if they saw the state of the country and the populace now?

Nobody can predict the future, but it seems to me we are on a very bad path, and the "Occupy" movement (a crappy name, I would prefer the term "99%") is the one bright spot in the past many years.

To clarify, I don't think this particular movement has all the answers. It will probably get co-opted and corrupted just like the tea party and most other grass-roots efforts. But there will be another movement, and another. Eventually the message will get through. Or it won't and then humanity deserves whatever it gets.
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As far as the pioneers are concerned... Those folks paved their own way to prosperity with centuries of something called Genocide.
 
#45
Subversiva,

Are you a bassist, or a JMJ stalker (thanks for the lesson, Subversiva!) with a political agenda?

I don't give my support to big banks, but I do support a capitalist economic system. The "class warfare" you incite and promote leads to nothing but violence and hatred. If you don't want to be a slave to the banks, don't borrow from them (i.e. don't deal with them) in the first place. Otherwise, you - and all those who feel entitled to economic "equality" - can grow up and realize that you haven't done squat to earn anything you demand.

As for my own story, well, I went off to college with absolutely nothing more than a place to live with my very gracious aunt and uncle and their 5 kids and one semester paid for by my relatively poor parents. It took 5 years, but I did graduate with only $1500 in student loans and still nothing to my name. That was 10 years ago and I've worked hard since then to give my family a place to live and food to eat. I still don't have much, but I don't have debt outside of a mortgage that I was wise enough to enter on *MY* terms. So, you see, it irks people like me who've actually had to work for everything they own to see a bunch of whiny brats demand "equality". Grow up and accept that you have to earn your place in life.

That is all.
 
#47
GypsyMan said:
By private donation, It's not that big bad G. Soros or the food would be better.

Just for the record, I'm not a part of OWS.
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"Private donation" doesn't answer my question. And you can be glib about "big bad" Soros but he IS most certainly big and quite arguably bad. Even if he's not involved in steering the occupy movement you'd be a fool to believe that forces of his magnitude aren't interested in and actively using it to their own ends. Which means someone is getting played.

One of the greatest problems we all face in realizing what's going on around us is that we get played for fools constantly. Seeing a bigger picture necessarily requires you admit you aren't as smart as you think you are and that you've been played. Not an easy thing to do.
 
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lowfreqgeek said:
Subversiva,

Are you a bassist, or a JMJ stocker with a political agenda?

I don't give my support to big banks, but I do support a capitalist economic system. The "class warfare" you incite and promote leads to nothing but violence and hatred. If you don't want to be a slave to the banks, don't borrow from them (i.e. don't deal with them) in the first place. Otherwise, you - and all those who feel entitled to economic "equality" - can grow up and realize that you haven't done squat to earn anything you demand.

As for my own story, well, I went off to college with absolutely nothing more than a place to live with my very gracious aunt and uncle and their 5 kids and one semester paid for by my relatively poor parents. It took 5 years, but I did graduate with only $1500 in student loans and still nothing to my name. That was 10 years ago and I've worked hard since then to give my family a place to live and food to eat. I still don't have much, but I don't have debt outside of a mortgage that I was wise enough to enter on *MY* terms. So, you see, it irks people like me who've actually had to work for everything they own to see a bunch of whiny brats demand "equality". Grow up and accept that you have to earn your place in life.

That is all.
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I'm not a stocker but arguably I am a stalker. And I have posted in another thread. I wanted to know of JMJ would ever work with Beck again.

That's great lowfreqgeek that you have so little college debt. Clearly you didn't study economics. If you've read, college is much more expensive these days. And they only call it class warfare when the working class fights back. Read the articles I've posted. They tell the brutal story of the theft of our democracy.

Anyone who works 40 hours a week DOES have the right to demand a living wage, and access to healthcare and education. Please stop stumping for rich people who don't care anything about your hard work.
 
#52
Schlyder said:
What? What about all the pioneers who opened the west?
What about all the people who struggled through the Great Depression in the 1930s?? They had to bust their a**es just to survive.
What makes you think present day Americans shouldn't have to work that hard just to keep afloat?
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+ 1

Very astute and well-put. Being a young person myself (24), the hard reality is that things rarely (if ever) come without a struggle. Where people moderated and controlled the difficulty of life in grade school and college for these people, nobody is there to do that once they've graduated.

Not to mention, how many of these people got their degrees without doing adequate research for their fields and how critical they are? They grew up in the generation where they were told "diploma + college degree = 6-figure income"...sadly mistaken =(
 
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hdracer said:
Care to show me where in the Constitution or bill of rights where it says that?
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I would rephrase Subversiva's sentence in:"Anyone who works 40 hours a week in the self-proclaimed biggest democracy of the world DOES have the right to demand a living wage, and access to healthcare and education."

you don't necessarily need the bill of rights to teach you the basics of democracy.
 
#56
plasson said:
I would rephrase Subversiva's sentence in:"Anyone who works 40 hours a week in the self-proclaimed biggest democracy of the world DOES have the right to demand a living wage, and access to healthcare and education."

you don't necessarily need the bill of rights to teach you the basics of democracy.
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Sorry but like so many other people, you do not realize, America is NOT a Democracy, it is a Represented Republic

There IS a difference.
 
#57
The Constitution and Bill of Rights don't say that. Those documents also don't say that Women or Black people have the right to vote in this country. Was it wrong for U.S. citizens to fight for Women's Equality and an end to slavery?

Subsequent to the creation of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, progressive leaders like, Abraham Lincoln, F.D.R., J.F.K., R.F.K., and L.B.J have taken actions to ensure true equality in this country.

The Occupy Movement are all leaders and WE SAY that working people deserve to make a living wage. Why are these ideas so offensive to you? Have you looked at the pie chart of wealth distribution since the 1970s? Have you?
 
#59
hdracer said:
Don't you have anything better to do then troll a bass forum with you political ideas?

Tell us about your bass gear, what style of music do you play? Band name?

I call troll
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Anything better to do? I don't know, my comments have gotten lots of replies? Managed to pass the test in order to register on this site. Am I a troll because I want to ask JMJ questions?

What's wrong with talking politics anywhere one can? Bass Players are in the 99%.
 
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