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Does anybody here actually OWN a fodera?

Ehh not really. When you consider how much more goes into making a baby grand piano than an electric bass that $12k to $25k comparison seems a bit ridiculous. The difference in the cost of materials alone would be several times larger. A piano is also a more complex instrument which requires a longer build time.

Well I was comparing 12k to 50k and 50k is nothing compared to what a top of the line piano is. My comparison was more drawing attention to the fact that my friend and I who share roughly the same annual income and equal skills on our respective instruments have to spend to get decent gear for those instruments.

Regardless of what materials or thought or whatever goes into building an instrument the point remains; my friend gets no more joy or fulfillment or potential out of life because he owns a $50,000 piano than I would if I owned a $12,000 bass. We are both musicians and we have our chosen instruments, the fact of the matter is if you want to experience the pinnacle of craftmanship and skill in an electric bass you can do so and still buy a BMW with the amount left over compared to what my friend shelled out for a piano.
 
My goal when buying bass is TONE . I dont care wherther Martians made that bass in some Alien Inter-galactic future city or whether the bass was made by some poor helpless guy in Indonesia . The bas has to sound good through my fingers . And yes, I know many of you will disagrre but 90% of the tone is in the fingers .

There are people who like Fodera and I like them too . Its just that with premier craftsmanship comes a premier price tag . If you can afford it, nothing like it . However, if you have $ 700, then dont save up for 7 years to buy a Fodera . Buy what you like and practice . Thats what I did .

I have $ 300 ESP made in Indonesia . I like it .

Lots of people have 10K to spend on a bass and they will do that . I will never knock anyone for the amount of money they spend on something like this . We are artists and we require tools that can enable us to express ourselves . For some, that tool is a Fodera and for some its an SX .

Thats just my $ 0.02 . Now I'm gonna go practice .
 
Exactly. The same with an upright -- though I think they're overpriced as well. Sure one that is $15,000 is better than one that is $1000 -- but is it 15 times better?

In a way an upright that goes through an amp does not have to be a high end instrument since the majority of the sound will come from the amp.

Fodera's are great. I got mine long ago and paid $1200. I thought that was outrageous, but it really is a special instrument. Would I buy one for $10K? No.

And as a comparison, check out the song "Nitro".

http://www.reverbnation.com/#/nelsonmontana

I play the rhythm track and the solo section with 2 different basses. (As well as all the other instruments). Once is the Fodera. The other is a $299 Squier. Can you tell which is which?

Nope. Can you tell us now? :D
 
Okay...I am the TB guy alluded to earlier in the thread that "actually owns Fodera." To make that statement correct, I should add that I am one of several owners. Vinny and Joey started the Company in 1983 and I have been blessed to become their partner and work on crafting these basses. In all, there are actually nine of us that have some level of ownership in the Company...Joey, Vinny and I are the largest percentage owners, but everyone that has ownership is very actively involved in making Fodera what it is.

Now, to the discussion of price. If you check out the Fodera Club threads (use the search and read back through the first, second and third threads too), there has been a TON of discussion about our pricing. Believe me, if we could figure out how to keep our quality at the level we demand of ourselves and make them more affordable, we would. None of us are getting rich by making these instruments. We do it because we love it and, thank goodness, the market has been good to the brand and allowed us pricing that keeps the doors open.

All of that said...some facts to help frame the discussion...

1. When you talk about the costs of a Fodera, please keep in mind that unless you start adding options, the street prices for brand new, custom built instruments range from $5,625 for a 4-string Monarch Bolt-on to $8,500 for any one of our 6-string Elite instruments. Those would be configured with an excellent top (non-solid on the Elite) and either EMG or Fodera pups.

2. The prices that everyone talks about above those levels are because players choose to add options. Yes, you could argue that stepping up to Fodera / Duncan (or Aero) dual coils is a "necessary option" in order to achieve a desired tone, but even those only add $450 (4-string) or $550 (5 or 6 string) to the Street Price of the instruments.

3. Because our instruments are all unique and handmade, the Street Prices listed in number one above include many possible customizations that are significant extras for other builders...you can choose your neck profile, string spacing, body size, body thickness, etc., all at no additional charge. We routinely have customers come in with their favorite playing bass and say things like, "when you build my bass, I want the neck to be EXACTLY like this one, I want the body to be 1/8" thinner than your normal thickness and I want it to be slightly smaller all around" and we do it...no questions asked, no charge. That is just part of crafting our instruments.

4. Options like solid tops (on our Elite instruments), exotic wood tops, 5-piece necks (or 9 or even 11 piece necks), matching wooden pickup covers, complicated inlays, Brazilian Rosewood FB's, wooden back plates, etc. all make the instruments highly personal, but they do NOT add to their playability and/or tone. Despite this fact, 90% of our customers avail themselves of at least some of these options.

5. In an age mechanization and factory out-sourcing, our custom instruments remain 100% born and bred right here in Brooklyn, NY and the average Fodera still takes over 40 hours of hand time to create. Think about that...GM takes less than 15 hours to build a car and we will spend an average of 40 hours building your bass.

Foderas are not for everyone and that is okay. Foderas cost what they do because of the way they are made and the materials that we use to make them. But the "real" price for a new Fodera to make music is $5,625 - $8,500...not $12,000 or $15,000...unless you want them to be because you are building your dream bass and want it with options that are important to you. Many of our players see working with us to build their dream bass as both a reward for the thousands of hours they spent honing their art as well as the final piece of the puzzle in having an instrument that exactly meets their unique musical needs.

We remain very thankful that we get to work with many wonderful people and that we love what we do...
 
Exactly. The same with an upright -- though I think they're overpriced as well. Sure one that is $15,000 is better than one that is $1000 -- but is it 15 times better?

In a way an upright that goes through an amp does not have to be a high end instrument since the majority of the sound will come from the amp.

This is getting into a whole different ball game. Post this in the double bass forums and you will hear some pretty strong opinions. I can tell you right now it makes a HUGE difference when you start spending more money on a double bass. Many players have basses in the 20k to 30k range(upwards of hundreds of thousands for classical players). With these instruments you are trying to get the best and biggest sound acoustically, and that(as well as the maker/age) is what you are paying for. With these instruments an amp is used to reinforce the acoustic sound, not supplant it.

If you can afford a Fodera, even if you can't justify the purchase to others I don't see how it matters. They are tools. If it makes you happy, or it makes you play and sound better, go for it. They have a huge reputation and charge the prices they do for a reason(which is in large part I am sure their location and overhead as well).
 
Okay...I am the TB guy alluded to earlier in the thread that "actually owns Fodera." To make that statement correct, I should add that I am one of several owners. Vinny and Joey started the Company in 1983 and I have been blessed to become their partner and work on crafting these basses. In all, there are actually nine of us that have some level of ownership in the Company...Joey, Vinny and I are the largest percentage owners, but everyone that has ownership is very actively involved in making Fodera what it is.

Now, to the discussion of price. If you check out the Fodera Club threads (use the search and read back through the first, second and third threads too), there has been a TON of discussion about our pricing. Believe me, if we could figure out how to keep our quality at the level we demand of ourselves and make them more affordable, we would. None of us are getting rich by making these instruments. We do it because we love it and, thank goodness, the market has been good to the brand and allowed us pricing that keeps the doors open.

All of that said...some facts to help frame the discussion...

1. When you talk about the costs of a Fodera, please keep in mind that unless you start adding options, the street prices for brand new, custom built instruments range from $5,625 for a 4-string Monarch Bolt-on to $8,500 for any one of our 6-string Elite instruments. Those would be configured with an excellent top (non-solid on the Elite) and either EMG or Fodera pups.

2. The prices that everyone talks about above those levels are because players choose to add options. Yes, you could argue that stepping up to Fodera / Duncan (or Aero) dual coils is a "necessary option" in order to achieve a desired tone, but even those only add $450 (4-string) or $550 (5 or 6 string) to the Street Price of the instruments.

3. Because our instruments are all unique and handmade, the Street Prices listed in number one above include many possible customizations that are significant extras for other builders...you can choose your neck profile, string spacing, body size, body thickness, etc., all at no additional charge. We routinely have customers come in with their favorite playing bass and say things like, "when you build my bass, I want the neck to be EXACTLY like this one, I want the body to be 1/8" thinner than your normal thickness and I want it to be slightly smaller all around" and we do it...no questions asked, no charge. That is just part of crafting our instruments.

4. Options like solid tops (on our Elite instruments), exotic wood tops, 5-piece necks (or 9 or even 11 piece necks), matching wooden pickup covers, complicated inlays, Brazilian Rosewood FB's, wooden back plates, etc. all make the instruments highly personal, but they do NOT add to their playability and/or tone. Despite this fact, 90% of our customers avail themselves of at least some of these options.

5. In an age mechanization and factory out-sourcing, our custom instruments remain 100% born and bred right here in Brooklyn, NY and the average Fodera still takes over 40 hours of hand time to create. Think about that...GM takes less than 15 hours to build a car and we will spend an average of 40 hours building your bass.

Foderas are not for everyone and that is okay. Foderas cost what they do because of the way they are made and the materials that we use to make them. But the "real" price for a new Fodera to make music is $5,625 - $8,500...not $12,000 or $15,000...unless you want them to be because you are building your dream bass and want it with options that are important to you. Many of our players see working with us to build their dream bass as both a reward for the thousands of hours they spent honing their art as well as the final piece of the puzzle in having an instrument that exactly meets their unique musical needs.

We remain very thankful that we get to work with many wonderful people and that we love what we do...


Good point. Fodera is a specialty company and they offer a lot of options. If the "bells and whistles" aren't for you, get a basic instrument for 5K and realize that's as well built as an bass can be. Since a Sadowsky goes for as much and even a custom shop Fender is around 3K, it's no so outrageous.
 
i'm proud to say that i own a fedora!

Dang it, that's MY line. :D

I'm waiting for the 'ditched my Fodera for my modded SX' post.

It's all in the fingers and SX basses are $11.




The thing about Fedora...I mean Fodera, is that their name has become synonymous with custom bass. Are they the best and/or "worth it"? That's in the eye of the beholder and TB will NEVER agree on anything, especially something like this.

Fodera makes Foderas. They have certain sounds and feels. I think handmade basses get somewhat of a bad rap because the customer ordered a bass and the luthier did exactly what they were told, but the buyer either didn't really know what they wanted or this changed. If you're spending this kind of $, you really should know what you want. Given the overall turnover on TB, you can't blame the manufacturers if guys don't know what they want.

To the OP, maybe you want a Fodera, maybe another builder can do what you want/need. To an extent, maybe Fodera is the wrong bass for you. Only you can answer these questions.

Personally, I like Fodera, Conklin, etc., but I enjoy too many different sounds and configurations to commit to a bass like that. You bet I'd own lots of them if I could! The idea that people wouldn't buy certain thigns if they had the $ is BS.
 
Pray tell why anybody would spend that amount of money on a bass if it didn't matter?

Listen to the sound of a bass that's centuries old; even a bow for that matter. Listen to something made straight from the factory. I can almost guarantee you the sound will be noticeably different.

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I never said it didn't.

I think if you're a classical musician you MUST own the very best sounding instrument you can afford since the acoustic sound is everything. And if you're a world class jazz musician and the upright is all you play and you can afford one, why not?

I played Scott LaFara's bass and I can say with all certainty that it was an astounding instrument far beyond what you can get at any price.

My point was that through an amp or a P.A., a good bass is a good bass and it's unlikely you can hear much of a difference in the audience.
 
I get a real kick out of this discussion, particularly when it comes to "affordability". Sure, $5 to $10K is a lot of money, but you can get it relatively easily. I'm currently saving up for a Swiss watch, which are also expensive (Omega, not Rolex, but still much more than Timex). My wife is saving up for a Macbook.

Here are some thoughts on how to afford such niceties:

1. Zero Balance on your credit cards. You'd be amazed at how much money you have to pay in interest. Once you have a zero balance on all of them (and car payment, etc.), you'll be amazed at how much extra money you have.

2. Packing a lunch vs. dining out - For sake of discussion, say you buy a fast food combo "meal" every day for ~$6.00. That is $30/week, or $1500/year (assuming 2 weeks off). More if the lunches are more expensive. Obviously, packing a lunch has its expenses also, but you're already buying food for yourself, so it isn't included here, as the cost of food for a week isn't too different with/without lunches. Four years is $6K, which is in Fodera range. Even limiting lunches out to 1x/week will allow you to save a significant amount.

3. Smoking - I realize there is the addiction side, but here in NJ, they are ~$7/pack, and I used to smoke a pack per day. $49/week, $2548/year.

4. Going out to dinner with the significant other on dates - Try to find BYOB places, where wine will cost ~$10/bottle. Most places have it for $10/glass. Two glasses of wine each is $40 extra. Same can be said for appetizers and desserts. There is always the question - what do I want more, a Swiss watch (or Fodera) or a huge piece of chocolate cake that will make me uncomfortably full?

5. Online bill paying vs. stamps - a minor expense, I know, but at $0.44/stamp, this can add up. Every dollar helps when saving towards something.

6. Driving conservatively - more mpg means less money spent on gas, and down the road, tires and brakes. This one is difficult to quantify, but you can probably find some good values online.

7. Extra cash - AFTER all of the bills are paid, if you have an extra $10 or $20 (perhaps from playing a gig), put it aside in a marked envelope or bank account. It takes some time, but it adds up. My Omega envelope only has $80 in it currently, but all of my bills are met, and I bought $100 worth of ammunition last weekend, which otherwise would have gone in there.

8. Drinking nights with friends - how much is your bar tab? Do you really need to spend $80 every weekend for beers with the guys? (I did this regularly for a couple of years immediately out of college...). This adds up significantly.

9. Other purchases - do you REALLY need that item now? Instead of Barnes & Nobles or Borders, can you take it out of your local public library? How often will you actually reread it? And so on. Amazing how much disposable income can be saved by asking the question "do I REALLY need this?"

10. Food - When possible, buy in bulk. Do not food shop hungry (leading to more impulse buys = unnecessary spending). Only buy produce you need, so it doesn't go bad. Do price comparisons with your local stores. A way to save a few dollars.

11. "Service Packages" - I don't have cable TV or a data plan for my cell phone (combined ~$70/month). It is a question of what is more valuable - a new bass or NFL games.

So, it is possible to accumulate the price of high-ticket items over time. The examples I gave were just that - examples. I've found them to work for me, but you might have other ideas. The progress is slow but steady. Next thing ya know, you have enough for your Fodera / Omega Watch / Model 1911 / etc.

That extra time to save the total amount gives you the chance to go through every post on the Fodera thread (as well as other high end basses), and find out EXACTLY what you want. They have a great discussion of single vs. dual coils vs. humbuckers. This would help me if I ever ordered one, though.

Hope this helps!

ian

P.S. The same applies to all other basses, regardless of price range - A MIA Fender can be obtained the same way!
 
Nope. Can you tell us now? :D


Ha! No guesses? lol

The rhythm track is played on a Squire. When it came time to play the solos, I just grabbed the Fodera because I wanted something that would respond as well as possible.

This isn't a slam, but it makes a point. As much as I love having that instrument that's in another league, I actually like the sound and feel of what is essentially a budget instrument. They're both their own personality and both work.

It's nice having both, but it goes to show...that "dream instrument" as great as it may be, will not necessarily be the "ultimate be-all-end-all" instrument. THAT, is why some people are disappointed. They think the bass is going to solve all their problems. lol!
 
Okay...I am the TB guy alluded to earlier in the thread that "actually owns Fodera." To make that statement correct, I should add that I am one of several owners. Vinny and Joey started the Company in 1983 and I have been blessed to become their partner and work on crafting these basses. In all, there are actually nine of us that have some level of ownership in the Company...Joey, Vinny and I are the largest percentage owners, but everyone that has ownership is very actively involved in making Fodera what it is.

Now, to the discussion of price. If you check out the Fodera Club threads (use the search and read back through the first, second and third threads too), there has been a TON of discussion about our pricing. Believe me, if we could figure out how to keep our quality at the level we demand of ourselves and make them more affordable, we would. None of us are getting rich by making these instruments. We do it because we love it and, thank goodness, the market has been good to the brand and allowed us pricing that keeps the doors open.

All of that said...some facts to help frame the discussion...

1. When you talk about the costs of a Fodera, please keep in mind that unless you start adding options, the street prices for brand new, custom built instruments range from $5,625 for a 4-string Monarch Bolt-on to $8,500 for any one of our 6-string Elite instruments. Those would be configured with an excellent top (non-solid on the Elite) and either EMG or Fodera pups.

2. The prices that everyone talks about above those levels are because players choose to add options. Yes, you could argue that stepping up to Fodera / Duncan (or Aero) dual coils is a "necessary option" in order to achieve a desired tone, but even those only add $450 (4-string) or $550 (5 or 6 string) to the Street Price of the instruments.

3. Because our instruments are all unique and handmade, the Street Prices listed in number one above include many possible customizations that are significant extras for other builders...you can choose your neck profile, string spacing, body size, body thickness, etc., all at no additional charge. We routinely have customers come in with their favorite playing bass and say things like, "when you build my bass, I want the neck to be EXACTLY like this one, I want the body to be 1/8" thinner than your normal thickness and I want it to be slightly smaller all around" and we do it...no questions asked, no charge. That is just part of crafting our instruments.

4. Options like solid tops (on our Elite instruments), exotic wood tops, 5-piece necks (or 9 or even 11 piece necks), matching wooden pickup covers, complicated inlays, Brazilian Rosewood FB's, wooden back plates, etc. all make the instruments highly personal, but they do NOT add to their playability and/or tone. Despite this fact, 90% of our customers avail themselves of at least some of these options.

5. In an age mechanization and factory out-sourcing, our custom instruments remain 100% born and bred right here in Brooklyn, NY and the average Fodera still takes over 40 hours of hand time to create. Think about that...GM takes less than 15 hours to build a car and we will spend an average of 40 hours building your bass.

Foderas are not for everyone and that is okay. Foderas cost what they do because of the way they are made and the materials that we use to make them. But the "real" price for a new Fodera to make music is $5,625 - $8,500...not $12,000 or $15,000...unless you want them to be because you are building your dream bass and want it with options that are important to you. Many of our players see working with us to build their dream bass as both a reward for the thousands of hours they spent honing their art as well as the final piece of the puzzle in having an instrument that exactly meets their unique musical needs.

We remain very thankful that we get to work with many wonderful people and that we love what we do...

"this paid advertisement brought to you by Fodera. Fodera, the only bass that better be able to make sandwiches with a BASE PRICE of $8,500."
 
"this paid advertisement brought to you by Fodera. Fodera, the only bass that better be able to make sandwiches with a BASE PRICE of $8,500."

Yeah, you're right - a post from the maker about their manufacturing, design philosophy, etc, is out of line. The only people who should be allowed to post here are folks who've never played the bass in question so they can slag it for being too expensive.

:hiding:
 
I can see where this is going...

1. @#%@ Coffee table/fancy furniture basses.

2. You'll never get a gig with a Fedora.

3. I've never played one, but I can assure you they're not worth it.

4. Not only will you never get a gig, they don't work in the mix. I pity those boutique users who simply have never heard their bass in....EVER!

5. Jaco only needed 4.

6. I had one, hated it, sold it, then bought it back.

7. Ay, so you think you're better than me or somethin'?

Did I miss any? :ninja: