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Does multi-scale even make sense for a 4-string player?

Does multi-scale even make sense for a 4-string player?

  • not at all

  • depends on the player

  • yes, definitely

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From the demo vids I've seen of multiscale basses, it seems like multiscale is benefit for 5+ string bass tuning, but I haven't seen much by way of 4-string.

I'd imagine the same benefit that I noticed--easier to drop tune the B string on 5+ string basses--would also apply the E string on a 4-string bass.

Could be wrong, and probably am.
 
In theory, the benefit is a balanced tension across the strings. If that is something that interests you then it’s certainly of value. If all you want is a piano like B string, then they are clearly not what you’re after.

I owned a five string Ding, but I sold it. Now I have a four string Ding tuned BEAD.
 
It makes a lot of sense if you downtown or use drop tunings. I have a 4 string NG-2 and I Love it for tuned down drop tunings such as drop B and drop A. I know ,,, 5 string but I much prefer the feel of 4 strings and don’t need the higher string when in these tunings.
Even without downtuning I could see there being a benefit to the balanced tension and overall feel tone.
 
The thing that impressed me the most with the Dingwall Super J (4-string) that I played was how well-balanced the sound was all across the neck. Whether that's the result of it just being multi-scale or not I wouldn't know but it left a very strong favourable impression, although I could never live with that particular bass for a variety of reasons.

My $0.02 only...
 
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Been eyeing those Dingwalls & TBH it's difficult to find one that's a 4-string.
Even the nearest dealer only stocks 5-string models.

Please don't post links to 4-string Dingwalls, I know they're out there & more interested in multi-scale in general, for this conversation.
Well, if you've never played one, there's the comfort issue to consider.
 
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Not for me... I really disliked the complexity of playing on one for jazz walking stuff. Can't play without looking at my hand and can't play complex jazz chord shapes without misfretting.

Maybe with lots of practice, but why? Short scale let's me play fast with smaller stretches, if I want short scale. 34" scale let's me play any normal bass well and is easily moved from bass to bass, and has perfect sound on B string if good bass that's well setup.

Learn on multi scale without looking and now you're going to have less muscle memory for regular basses. Also... just why? Nobody can tell by listening. A super long B sounds great, but so does a properly setup 34" B.

Nobody would know my carvin 5 is 34" by listening, but it's sure easier to play this way... and being fretless unlined it's probably impossible to exist in multi scale form.
 
In theory it is the way to go, but one does not play a piano the same was as a bass. The problem can be ergonomics depending on how you play. Every design is a compromise of some sort - have to weigh the advantages and disadvantages for you.
Exactly! Finally someone said itbesides me.

Piano works because the keys are constantly sized, irrelevant of string length. They don't even get smaller up high unlike direct fretted instruments.

You can play a tiny upright or 9 foot concert grand and your playing technique doesn't change

Multi scale is NOT like piano. Only in the final step of piano is it related... not in the playing aspect.

It'll never be the main standard because it makes the instrument considerably harder to play without looking using only muscle memory.... all over the neck.

On multi scale bass, Jump up to fret 15 on the g string, down to fret 5 A string, up to fret 15 B string (or E if 4 string), down to 5 on G string.

Was your left wrist in the same horizontal position and near 90 degree angle for any of those? No.

Do that on a regular bass.

Only 2 positions get used, not 4 like on multi scale. I rest my case.

And for amusement, Play those 4 notes on piano, now on literally every other piano in the world.... not just 9 foot grands. Same on every one.
 
Sure I think there’s something to it being more ergonomic. I know for me it’s more comfortable to play for longer periods of time. So for folks who play 3-4 hour cover gigs or people like me who play in a band with musicians that are spread out so we have super long marathon rehearsals so we don’t have to drive so much. It can be beneficial. As far as getting used to it. It took me like 30 minutes to adjust to playing most of the neck. Only way up high where the fan changes directions did it require more time to get used to. I can play mine just fine without staring at my hands.

I do think a lot of people who buy 4 string multiscale basses are buying them specifically for drop tuning though. Probably because there’s not many options for 4 strings that are longer than 34” scale. A couple 35”scale and then it’s basically multiscale or custom stuff if you want something longer than 35” in a 4 string.
 
Makes me think back to Dave's chapman sig which is a 35-32.76" multi 4 string, 26 frets. Apparently he wanted the feel of a 4 string but the (near) range of a 5'er, which makes sense. But that's what I'd call a pretty specific taste!
In that case the multiscale is probably more about fitting in the extra 2 frets, as you could probably have done much the same with a 35" scale 4.
I've seen some people in the Ding thread talk about the longer scale sounding great for the E string, but again, taste is subjective.
To me the most obvious usage would be if you'd like to tune down real low but don't feel the need for extra strings- Buster from Humanity's Last Breath plays a baritone 6 tuned to drop E(?), in lieu of the more used 8 string in that genre. Makes sense if you want to avoid the cumbersomeness and don't use the extra strings anyway
 
A 36" E string actually sounds great in metal, because it allows you to put a thinner string there for the same tension (you can use 95 instead of 105), which gives it a lot more of an "alive" sound while still being tight.

So I'd say it's definitely beneficial, but not nearly as much as shifting 34->37 inch for the B string, that's a huge benefit, 34->36 on E string just sounds better for tight pick metal playing but it's not groundbreaking.
 
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Yes, definitely. Here is the thread on my custom fanned fret 4-string:
A Different Custom P-style Bass
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