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Don't "clench your buttocks" around cops...

#161
MJ5150 said:
What should be done about this situation, the initial topic of this thread, Balog?

-Mike
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I know that you were not addressing me Mike so sorry for butting in but to answer - keep on paying attention is what should be done. Keep an eye on it.

I cited an example earlier of why I think so. Back in the 1990's there were accusations of the NJ state police racially profiling motorists. It was denied. People who claimed it were labeled troublemakers, liars... lo and behold, it turned out to be true in the end and heads rolled.
Had people just accepted the word of the police and let it go..?

That's how I'm looking at it FWIW.
 
#166
Re: the OP....

If any of us did the exact same thing, we would be convicted as kidnappers and rapists and spend decades or even the rest of our lives in prison.

When cops do it, they get paid vacation while their department chiefs and union bosses go about trying to sweep it under the rug, dismiss it as some procedural or policy goof up, blame the victim, and in the end dock the perpetrators pay for a couple weeks. At the very worst, they might have to look for a new job.

That is the problem. Anyone trying to dismiss it as an "isolated indident" or downplay it by saying "well, things used to be worse" is also part of that problem.

3rd graders could recognize this....why is it so difficult for some adults to?
 
#167
will33 said:
Re: the OP....

If any of us did the exact same thing, we would be convicted as kidnappers and rapists and spend decades or even the rest of our lives in prison.

When cops do it, they get paid vacation while their department chiefs and union bosses go about trying to sweep it under the rug, dismiss it as some procedural or policy goof up, blame the victim, and in the end dock the perpetrators pay for a couple weeks. At the very worst, they might have to look for a new job.

That is the problem. Anyone trying to dismiss it as an "isolated indident" or downplay it by saying "well, things used to be worse" is also part of that problem.

3rd graders could recognize this....why is it so difficult for some adults to?
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... but ... but ... I'm sure doctors did the colonoscopy, not the cops. Everyone should have one, you know.

BTW, for the record, I'm not dismissing it as an isolated incident or dismissing it in any other way. But unless you personally are going to go out and do something about this specific incident, there's really not much more to say than it sucks for that guy and the cops shouldn't do that stuff.
 
#168
MJ5150 said:
What should be done about this situation, the initial topic of this thread, Balog?

-Mike
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As in, what should you or I personally do, or what "should be done" in a general sense? The folks in NM should insist that the criminals in uniform who did this be held accountable, to include criminal charges being pressed against everyone involved, docs losing licenses etc. And if that isn't done then they should seek to hold accountable whoever they can: sadly the system is setup so there is no real accountability.
 
#172
Munjibunga said:
We're bitching about it on TalkBass. That should be enough.
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:D

Can share the story with people, make people aware, especially those who participate in lower level elections...like District Attorney and such. It's time we bust this myth that all the cops are good guys and here to protect us...some are not. Many folks actually think they are "authorities" or "officials" and must do as they're told, not even knowing they don't have to speak a single word. Many think they can be searched at the cops discretion, not knowing they can refuse/not give consent, etc. They actually think they must talk to the cops when the cops lie to us all the time and get away with it. People need to just know their rights and more importantly excersize them...otherwise we'll all lose them.
 
#175
will33 said:
:D

Can share the story with people, make people aware, especially those who participate in lower level elections...like District Attorney and such. It's time we bust this myth that all the cops are good guys and here to protect us...some are not. Many folks actually think they are "authorities" or "officials" and must do as they're told, not even knowing they don't have to speak a single word. Many think they can be searched at the cops discretion, not knowing they can refuse/not give consent, etc. They actually think they must talk to the cops when the cops lie to us all the time and get away with it. People need to just know their rights and more importantly excersize them...otherwise we'll all lose them.
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You have the right to remain silent ... etc. etc. etc. And yes there are bad cops. But cops have a very tough job, and our society would suck pretty terribly if there were no cops to get between us and the folks who have nefarious intentions. The vast majority of cops have their heads in the right place and want to help people. They have to be authoritative because of the sector of society they usually have to deal with.

Then you have those knuckleheads who just don't like cops because they're cops. You know, the ones who will argue with them about their right to do anything they want after, say, being stopped under suspicion of driving under the influence.

As we used to say in the '70s, "Next time you get mugged, call a hippie."
 
#176
Munjibunga said:
You have the right to remain silent ... etc. etc. etc. And yes there are bad cops. But cops have a very tough job, and our society would suck pretty terribly if there were no cops to get between us and the folks who have nefarious intentions. The vast majority of cops have their heads in the right place and want to help people. They have to be authoritative because of the sector of society they usually have to deal with.

Then you have those knuckleheads who just don't like cops because they're cops. You know, the ones who will argue with them about their right to do anything they want after, say, being stopped under suspicion of driving under the influence.

As we used to say in the '70s, "Next time you get mugged, call a hippie."
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True. My brother is a fireman/first responder. I asked him what it's like a couple times. Basically, if all they did was put out fires, they'd all be out of a job....there aren't that many fires. Instead, they get to deal with the dregs of society, the down and out, the loser, the addict, the people who've nowhere else to turn. Some of them really are down and want a hand up.... some would rather society just left them alone. Sad....but such is life.
 
#180
Munjibunga said:
You have the right to remain silent ... etc. etc. etc. And yes there are bad cops. But cops have a very tough job, and our society would suck pretty terribly if there were no cops to get between us and the folks who have nefarious intentions. The vast majority of cops have their heads in the right place and want to help people. They have to be authoritative because of the sector of society they usually have to deal with.

Then you have those knuckleheads who just don't like cops because they're cops. You know, the ones who will argue with them about their right to do anything they want after, say, being stopped under suspicion of driving under the influence.

As we used to say in the '70s, "Next time you get mugged, call a hippie."
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The vast majority of cops are collecting a paycheck, and using the "Gosh we're so awesome and help people SO MUCH" BS to stroke their ego. They don't, generally speaking, get between you and anyone. They show up after something has happened and take a report. When they aren't busy enforcing unjust laws or collecting the randomized tax that is traffic citations.
 

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