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Don't "clench your buttocks" around cops...
- Thread starter Balog
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Lmao..im sorry but am i being singled out here for staying on topic? Really? Looks like the bloodhounds have contributed nothing but Hardy Boy's mystery. I haven't been contacted by talkbass moderators because apparently i haven't broken any of the rules i read as i agreed to the terms of service. Whats with the mob mentality?
So, trying to get the cops to stop kidnapping and butt raping people is just an excuse to... Let non-cops kidnap and butt rape people? I don't think I'm following you here man.
Heres the synopsis and im sticking to it; Im just a guest user or whatever who'd sit in here in my freetime and read threads that appeal to me, a "lurker" if you will. I typically use keywords mostly because i enjoy many of the older threads especially 200-2006. I the posters i enjoy the most are typically guys/gals who are long extinct from here..Morf for example. I enjoy all of his stuff. Ive spent countless hours reading through "locked" threads because they're always entertaining or controversial. Beneficial information is cool, but i can get that from all the older musicians i encounter in my everyday life therefore i only read or post in threads i find "entertaining". Out of current threads i tend to enjoy most stuff from Jacquo, Dr.cheese, and Bluewine (ive never met or spoken to him but he lives in my hometown and i enjoy his style of posting). I couldnt care less about my blank profile or whos been banned, or what peeps think of my bass, amp, or resume'. Not trying to come off as "rude" but it is what it is. Im not interested in any "good ole boys" scenarios, i AM however interested in police profiling and civil rights so i posted here. Is this a sin or something? If i said anything that warrented me being sized up by the fantasy mods who came straight at me while not only ignoring the op but contributed nothing to the discussion whatever will be will be i suppose. If im ever banned, no sweat. I learned 3-4 years ago that i need not a supporting membership nor be a registered user to broswe threads because again..i get the MOST knowledge from the older threads and i get my entertainment from the locked ones. End of discussion.
Meanwhile, earlier in the thread...
Seems you are though. You did earlier in the thread.
Additionally, you negated that statement later in the same comment and earlier in the thread.
Another Strawman; nobody said bad things didn't happen. In fact, the realist would operate with an understanding of how it was or has been under actual "police states" vs. present-day. The idealist operates under the idea that one single incidence of a cop doing something they shouldn't have means that the whole card house comes down.
And another logical fallacy - the slippery slope.
Just...no. My brain hurts.
There are hundreds of examples of "single incidences" of cops doing something they shouldn't. There's also institutional bias. Did you know that in Wisconsin, every single time a cop has killed someone it was ruled justified, since 1890? Every. Single. Time. If one side always wins, maybe the game is rigged.
You're still operating under the false belief that it is worse.
It's not. There will always be abuses. You live in an idealistic bubble like so many these days.
But I've said what needs to be said; it gets circular at this point.
*Sigh* Really?
Should I go back and pick random quotes of yours to try to fix the context to support my point too? That's really friggen annoying dude...
You've been arguing a good point, there was no need to play games.
But since you've done so, I'll explain:
"I dont relish a police state very much"
I don't. You don't. Probably no one here does. Any surprise there? Note, I did not claim we were in a police state did I? Point out where I said that pretty please?
I did however say that it's getting easier to believe what with the TSA and NSA, but that's starting to get political so I'll leave that one alone.
"I'm not one to throw around the police state thing"
I'm not. Have I been railing here or in any other thread about a police state? Hmmm..? No, I have not.
For the love of god, stop with the strawman thing. In the course of a conversation, points will be made, examples cited to counter others, sometimes a "strawman" is a part of a larger conversation when taken in the correct context.
I dont have the time, nor desire to hunt down all of your posts to quote etc etc, but I do recall you saying that the incident cited in the OP causes you no concern or something to that effect.
My point was that it does cause me concern whether it's an extremely isolated incident, or a common-place incident, because I believe that one should not let down their guard.
I cited an example from the NJ State police to illustrate what I meant.
Then another member posted something about how we have "little problems" now so we attach major import to those because "we have nothing better to worry about". At least that's how I read it.
In many cases, that's absolutely true, but it obviously does not mean that bad things cant happen. They do, like it or not.
We all basically know this so where's the issue there?
That was what my earlier post was in response to.
1. Prove it. Show your work or shut up.
2. "It used to be worse" is not a defense of corruption, violence, and crime now. Maybe cops kidnapped and anally raped guys on a daily basis way back when. I don't care. Still wrong when it happens now.
That's a persuasive argument about the levels of corruption in police forces in America over time alright. Oh wait, no it's not. Which logical fallacy is it when you try to answer a call for data to support your position by posting an inflammatory picture?
I am of the belief that things are neither better or worse. Those are completely subjective terms. I'm sure the poor soul being burnt by the lynch mob (and his family) thought things were the worse, as I'm sure the man who was illegally detained and anally raped thinks things are worse now.
Things just are. We have more immediate access to them now
Things just are. We have more immediate access to them now
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/shipp/lynchingsstate.html
5000 people over an 80 year period - 1/3 of the life of the republic. That's an estimate of 60 people a year murdered often by mobs of people who were not given a trial (either the murdered or the murderers). That would mean that once in a week in 2013 you would have to hear about 1.2 people being murdered in the public without a trial and condoned by public authorities. It does not take into account abuses of slaves when they were owned by people. I repeat, when they were owned by people. Meaning they were owned by people.
People were owned by people.
Millions of people were owned by people.
For 300 years.
Owned.
They were property.
