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Dr. DIMENTO’S V-BASS PICKUP EXPERIMENT

luknfur said:
I've heard of the internal GK kit. Yeh, I'd say definetly the way to go if it does the same thing and is just a pot setup.

The kit is way cool. I've got 2 basses with the kit, and while it costs more and there is added cost for the install; it's definitely the way to go, IMO.
 
Week 8: Overview of User Patches As A Group

Synopsis


I went through all the user patches and made brief notes as the parameters are set now. Played some to tunes during practice sessions but the only comment on that at this point is that overall a majority of the patches are too dark or airy to play to my tunes through my rig.

Not many of the patches are exactly alike but lots of subtle variations. There’s a lot of acoustic and URB (upright bass) patches that have either a lot of air in them (poorly-defined tone) or a lot of cardboard (hard boxie mids) when played through the GK pup only. Quite a few of these patches are considerably more appealing through the mag pup only - putting out more of a typical electric bass tone. Tone through the mag pup alone was usually harder, brighter, and clearer. There’s a bunch of patches that have variations on P, J, and Ric tones - soft/hard, dark/bright, dull/lively, percussive, whatever. Tons of slap tones, lots of woodie tones, quite a few quality fretless patches, and a some humbucker tones.

Also this past week for the first time I made rudimentary use of the pedals - patch selection and volume. Instead of twiddling with tone knobs I was hopping through patches during a tune. Good tool for trying atypical tones to a familiar tune.


Whole Enchilada

This week I realized it’s probably a good idea to my editing through the gear I intend to play the patches through. Out of convenience I was using my Polytone V combo for the few patches I’d spent much time on. That’s a very mid heavy amp. Don’t even recall which patches I spent the time on but in general most of the patches playing through the Aguilar cabs are too dark so it dawned on me I’d better start tweaking to the Aggies.

In preparation for the next phase, I went through all the user patches and made brief notes as the parameters are set now. Played some to tunes during practice sessions but the only comment on that at this point is that overall a majority of the patches are too dark or airy to play to my tunes through my rig. There are a few patches that play well to tunes and quite a few that are very appealing solo.

Not many of the patches are exactly alike but lots of subtle variations - attack, EQ‘ing, etc. There’s a little dramatic variation as I’ve left a small mix of patches that were appealing but I’d unlikely have use for, like distortion/orchestral. Next couple paragraphs (excluding the Bongo aside) are basically what stood out from looking over my notes. Dark, airy, hollow percussive, and soft are among the most frequent comments I made to these patches - and probably in that order.

There’s a lot of acoustic and URB (upright bass) patches that have either a lot of air in them (poorly-defined tone) or a lot of cardboard (hard boxie mids) when played through the GK pup only. Keep in mind these were ones I determined as “bass patches” so they haven’t been altered at all from the Roland presets. Sounding like cardboard is a description I hear periodically about Polytone amps but the V Bass cardboard sounds a lot closer to the real thing. There are subtle variations of cardboard that are toned down in some patches and it’s quite palatable to appealing when done tastefully. Also quite a few of these patches are considerably more appealing through the mag pup only - putting out more of a typical electric bass tone. Tone through the mag pup alone was usually harder, brighter, and clearer. I’m optimistic with this group.

Guess I should mention that the mag pup in this case is an EB Bongo with rear coils in line with typical J pup placement. Tonewise to me the Bongo is a P sounding MM pup, one of my keepers. Don’t know how much difference swapping pups will make with the V Bass but I’ll find out before I go tweaking patches but - I’m not there yet.

There’s a bunch of patches that have variations on P, J, and Ric tones - soft/hard, dark/bright, dull/lively, percussive, whatever. One patch pretty much nails a ‘65 Fender P bass track I play to and 6 or so more patches are slight variations on it. That’s a pretty tough tone to get all of and I never got there with some 20 mag P’s. Dozen or so nice Fretless variations (including Jaco) that vary in attack, mwah, EQ’ing, etc. Among the best fretless tones to me were camouflaged in the last 8 patches and made apparent once the junk was removed - a night and day difference. Slap tones are so pervasive in the V Bass that it‘s actually harder to find a tone that doesn‘t have appeal slapped. Also some humbucker pup tones in the mix. Lot’s of woodie tones. Have yet to run across growl or burp I would have expected.

Also this past week for the first time I made rudimentary use of the pedals - patch selection and volume. Instead of twiddling with tone knobs I was hopping through patches during a tune. Good tool for trying atypical tones to a familiar tune. I was playing some patch to a Marley Reggae tune and it had a cool percussive attack that fit the tune so well that for a minute I actually thought I was hearing some percussion (wood blocks/whatever) from the tune I’d never realized before (or at least not accustomed to hearing). Because a lot of these patches are dark with lower frequencies than I typically play, I’m hearing some stuff in these tunes that my bass usually masks and just thought this was one.

Next, I’ll try grouping these patches into similar tones and play them to music to see if I can get a breakdown on which groups work to tunes and which don’t.
 
luknfur said:
I checked out the Roland site for that internal unit and assume it's the same for guitar/bass cause only one unit is listed and seems it was guitar.

You just wire the GK pup to it?

No, there is a bass kit and a guitar kit. The only place I have ever been able to find the bass kit is at musicians friend. Most folks have the GT version (guitar).
 
Week 9: The Hendrix Experience

Synopsis


I started off the week pretty much on track but got derailed along the way when I ran across an appealing alteration in the patch Roland calls HendrixWah - as edited, a nice deep rich tube tone with decent mid cut with a very appealing grind; but the top end is prone to being thin, crisp, and distorted on the G string. Just now getting my fill of it so I can move on. I also messed with the Hendrix patch with wah assigned to the pedal and that was interesting - lots of different tones in different places. Messed a little with the chaining - some nice variations to be had there.

At some point it seemed like a disproportionate number of these patches used the Ampeg SVT amp for default so I tallied them up and 76 of the 100 patches used it. The remainder were basically split between 5 models with a smattering going to another 4 - and zip to 2.

If you want to order the internal GK pup from Musician’s Friend that Marcus spoke of it’s called the “"ROLAND GK-KIT-BG INTERNAL DIVIDED PICKUP KIT" and the item number is listed as 150096 03.” That info was provided thanks to Marcus - MF was clueless.


Whole Enchilada

I started off the week pretty much on track but got derailed along the way. I didn’t even know what patch I was in but was tweaking amp models and the Hi-Gain amp model sounded like lower register Hendrix (guitar) from about the 3rd to 7th frets on the A & D strings - and who could pass that up. So I sat down and played solo for a couple hours. Moved around the fingerboard and there was all kinds of stuff to mess with cause tone sounded different in different places: Smoke On The Water, Cars, Cocaine, Zeplin, Who, BTO, Eagles, among others. When I went to shut it off I checked the patch and it was called HendrixWah (less some of the presets I’d pulled out). I’ve been playing that patch since.

I tweaked it some trying to get the distortion out to play it to tunes. Had marginal success and so far have a nice deep tube tone with decent mid cut with a very appealing grind but the top end is prone to being thin, crisp, and distorted on the G string. I get most of the distortion out by altering position and technique except on the G string where I can minimize it. In general I can bring the distortion in or take it out of tone as desired within limits.

Actually plays half way decent to quite a few tunes. It’s surprising how distortion at lower frequencies blends in with the tunes but when it’s not covered up it sounds about like a tweeter crackling and the grind actually has a similar effect within tunes. Nevertheless, a rich fun tone to play.

I also messed with the Hendrix patch with wah assigned to the pedal and that was interesting. Never messed with a wah pedal before. Lots of different tones in different places - not only from the pedal but on the fingerboard. Actually got a pretty good piano tone in the mid to lower registers on the A and D strings.

Also messed a little with the chaining. I can see why those familiar with the unit are quick to point that function out, some nice variations to be had there. Haven’t experienced it yet but I’m guessing it would probably also be useful for eliminating or minimizing unwanted tones - which it did with distortion about as much I could muster with altering technique but the tone changed otherwise in the process which I didn‘t want.

It crossed my mind Roland may have loaded the V Bass with goofy patches so you’d be forced to straighten them out thereby learn the unit and it’s capabilities in the process. I notice synth patches on TV or wherever a lot more than I did before getting the V Bass. They’re a lot more prevalent than what I was aware of previously.

Also at some point it seemed like a disproportionate number of these patches used the Ampeg SVT amp for default so I tallied them up and 76 of the 100 patches used it. So one of a dozen amp models ended up on 75% of the preset patches for some reason. The remainder were basically split between 5 models with a smattering going to another 4 - and 2 got zip.

By the way, on that pic of Marcus' bass with the internal GK pup only the S switches/buttons and LED are visible (lower 3), but the kit includes the same controls as the face-mount unit.
 
Week 10: User Patch EQ’s Not Cutting It

This is my contribution for the previous week that was:

How are you guys that have had one of these for a while EQ’ing different V Bass tracks to tunes?

Are you keeping the V Bass flat (which the patches basically are as shipped), rig flat, and adjusting off the bass to each tune? V Bass flat with a standard rig setting and fine tuning with the bass? EQ’ing the V Bass internally for each patch and basically keeping the rig flat and tweaking the bass? Treating each patch totally independent or using a general approach to them all or in groups?

I’ve had enough success to where I’m convinced it’s an EQ issue and I’ve tried a myriad of approaches but the result is a lot more grief than tone to tunes.
 
V Bass Week 11: Presonus EQ3B Fix

Synopsis


Picked up a Presonus parametric EQ3B and that’s seemed to help out the EQ issue.
Something I’ve found useful for tweaking a large number of patches is to set the GK control so the volume knob on it works like a blend. The past couple of weeks I’ve been spending more time on playing a single patch that works well as opposed to bouncing around a lot for short periods. Even so, it seems the patches overall are working better. I wouldn’t be surprised if I never went back to the more conventional bass rig.

I did notice static lately coming from giggling the 13 pin cord as it enters the pickup control. A small strap to hold the cord fast to the bass would also be a good idea. Looping the cord through the bass strap is of no value in taking tension off the cord when you’re not wearing the bass and it takes some beating just picking up and setting down the bass - even if you‘re careful. That in fact is when the static is occurring. I’ve yet to change my initial opinion of this external GK controller and will jettison it at some point.

Whole Enchilada

Seemed to have been side-tracked the last couple weeks but I’ve continued to mess with the unit. A few observations to pass on.

Picked up a Presonus parametric EQ3B and that’s seemed to help out the EQ issue. Neat little gadget, my first multi-band parametric, and I’m learning something about EQ’ing the V Bass from it. I’m guessing I can copy the basics off what works from the EQ3B to the V Bass EQ parameters. If that works then the EQ3B can be set flat thereafter and used for fine tuning. You can’t be doing major tweaking from patch to patch live. In fact, I would definitely tweak your patches with the rigging you intend to use it with cause it’s going to sound different rig to rig. I could easily see it sounding fine with one rig yet have the frequencies sounding all screwed up with another.

Something I’ve found useful for tweaking a large number of patches is to set the GK control
so the volume knob on it works like a blend. Then you can go from 100% Mag pup to 100% GK (V Bass with no Mag) and catch all the combo’s in between with the swing of that single knob. The most optimal tone for a given patch could be practically any mix and, if you don’t have a simple adjustment like that, it would be easy to miss a valuable tone. In terms of response, it is functionally parallel to what you’d get from blending a normal neck and bridge Mag, only your going from a stripped down pup to one that has all the modeling thrown into it. Once the patches are tweaked, you can leave the blend and use the pedal for a volume, dial the optimal blend mix into the V Bass so it’s fixed and return the blend to a volume control, or however you choose to go.

The past couple of weeks I’ve been spending more time on playing a single patch that works well as opposed to bouncing around a lot for short periods. Even so, it seems the patches overall are working better. I wouldn’t be surprised if I never went back to the more conventional bass rig. Even if I were to only get a handful of decent patches out of the V Bass (or something similar), patches that work well take tone to another level. And I can always skip the V Bass altogether if I choose. I’ve picked up a set of Fender Sammarian Cobalt J’s to try out recently and I did a review on the Modulus SD MM pup a month or so ago. Other than that, I’ve only been playing through the V Bass and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.

I did notice static lately coming from giggling the 13 pin cord as it enters the pickup control. I ran across a post that mentioned changing to the computer type connector with the lock screw mechanism. I have yet to locate one on the net that would work. Of no use for the external controller but would be of use if you had an internal mount GK unit as well as where the connection enters the V Bass itself. A small strap to hold the cord fast to the bass would also be a good idea. Looping the cord through the bass strap is of no value in taking tension off the cord when you’re not wearing the bass and it takes some beating just picking up and setting down the bass - even if you‘re careful. That in fact is when the static is occurring. I’ve yet to change my initial opinion of this external GK controller and will jettison it at some point.
 
luknfur said:
I did notice static lately coming from giggling the 13 pin cord as it enters the pickup control. I ran across a post that mentioned changing to the computer type connector with the lock screw mechanism. I have yet to locate one on the net that would work. Of no use for the external controller but would be of use if you had an internal mount GK unit as well as where the connection enters the V Bass itself. A small strap to hold the cord fast to the bass would also be a good idea. Looping the cord through the bass strap is of no value in taking tension off the cord when you’re not wearing the bass and it takes some beating just picking up and setting down the bass - even if you‘re careful. That in fact is when the static is occurring. I’ve yet to change my initial opinion of this external GK controller and will jettison it at some point.


The Roland 13 pin cable is not well constructed and doesn't last too long...I've gone through several and I seem to get around 6 months out of them. Add to this that 13 pin cables are extremely hard to find.

I recently got this and like it, but since it's a right-angle it will only work with the kit:

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I've been looking for a long time for a higher-quality 13 pin cable with metal ends...something solid. No luck...if you ever find one lemme know!
 
Week 12: Some Progress Some Regress

Synopsis


Some progress this week on a number of fronts. The EQ3B has improved EQ’ing issues significantly. I created a few decent patches this week including a vintage Fender J that plays like the real deal to quite a few tunes. I did a comparison between an acoustically bright and midrange bass to see if the V bass picked up the differences in the properties of the individual bass which it did noticeably so. Also resolved an issue I was having on some patches with the volume of GK pup not working with the blend control I mentioned last week. On the downside I also tried to see if I could cop an Entwhistle tone with no success. That aroused the question as to why Roland didn’t model some of the great signature tones of the masters in their presets, which as far as I can tell serve no useful purpose at all. Also there's no way to globally edit a parameter in all the patches that I can tell - that's a real laborious time burner.

Whole Enchilada

3 months and third time’s a charm in a way. Week started off on a plus. Most the patches were EQ’ing in and EQ makes a major difference. Beginning to pull some of what this unit is capable of - including a toastie Fender Vintage Bass tone that plays to music like the real thing. Also a couple other interesting tones that are different and fun to play to tunes.

Another thing I did worthy of mention was play the V bass with just the GK pup (no onboard Mag) through an acoustically mid range and bright bass to see if the V bass actually picked up the acoustic properties. The V bass did in deed pic up some difference. I don’t know that it would show live but it probably would recorded. The difference is not nearly as blatant as a conventional setup setup and it doesn‘t pickup up the subtle aspects. But in combination with all the control parameters on the V bass, it’s adequate enough to where I wouldn’t keep basses with a range of acoustic properties for use with the V Bass as I have for conventional play. I would just go with a midrange bass and/or bright bass.

One thing I did run into with changing the volume on the GK control to a blend was that I was getting no sound on a number of patches when set to 100% GK pup - even though the blend indicated a full sweep. Such an occurrence is a bit of a pain on the V Bass cause the source could be lots of places - and some parameters just don’t work in some situations. Most of it was because the pedal needed to be set to take over volume control. Sounds kind of dumb but some of it was related to the volume being off in the bass modeling section because that was the default value. Almost all of the acoustic/URB patches were that way.

Also another irritating thing I discovered in the process of doing the blend knob conversion is, to my knowledge, there's no global way to alter the same parameter in all the patches with one press of a button. So I had to go through every preset to make that change.

Another thing I messed with was trying to cop an Entwhistle tone. No luck really but one of the cool tones I found this week came from that process. Another thing they could have done is throw a few string models into the parameters. I can’t here a single round ring to any of these patches. In all the process took me back to irritation with the useless presets. You can’t even use them as a core to tweak tone without hand writing every parameter down because as soon as you exit the patch it resets to default whether the unit is turned off or not. So you can’t even jump back and forth between patches to check out your changes let alone copy the lot into a user patch.

Also it seems to me if your going to bother making a bass modeling unit, why not use a chunk of the presets to model signatures tones from some great bass players. As least those could serve a purpose. As long as I’ve had this unit, I wouldn’t even bet it can even be done.

What strikes me strange is that every user comment I’ve read about any unit with presets has read the same way. I'm guessing there's a reason for that but I'm clueless. So it’s not like the V Bass is alone in that respect - but I‘m can‘t imagine presets being less intended user applicable than these. I would much rather they had just skipped them all together and just gave 100 user patches.
 
Hey luknfur, you ever feel like exchanging some patches? It seems you've done a fair bit more tweaking than I have, but I've got a few. Plus I'm always interested in checking out what someone else has come up with.
 
Marcus Willett said:
Hey luknfur, you ever feel like exchanging some patches? It seems you've done a fair bit more tweaking than I have, but I've got a few. Plus I'm always interested in checking out what someone else has come up with.

Yeh I'd be up for it when I get to that point. This is all just preliminary stuff now that's had minimal application. Also, I'm not into recording and having nothing for digital recording at the moment (or transfering the data). But I've been thinking about it and by the time I get around to that, some of these patches ought to have some time on the water as well as added additions.
 
Week 13: The Entwistle Experience

Synopsis


Wasn’t 24 hours after posting week 12 that I pulled down an approximation to the Entwistle tone. Doesn’t nail it but recognizably Entwistlesk and fun to play. Close enough to where little time was spent refining it thereafter. After getting that tone most of the time on the V bass was playing around coping a feel for his style. Pretty cool.

Whole Enchilada

Not much accomplished this week as a chunk of playing time was spent on a review for a pair of Fender SCN’s. But it wasn’t 24 hours after posting week 12 that I pulled down an approximation to the Entwistle tone. Doesn’t nail it but recognizably Entwistlesk and fun to play. Close enough to where little time was spent refining it thereafter. I have never been one to dink with effects so it’s nothing I have experience with. I know what the basic effects sound like and that’s about it. After getting that tone most of the time on the V bass was playing around coping a feel for his style. I’ve tapped playing harmonics but nothing like his application. Pretty cool.

Also in the process of trying to cop the Entwistle tone I got a top flight slap tone that is interesting to pick and finger as well. If this experience was reflective of the process I’m guessing for every tone I tried to cop I’d get 3 or 4 useable other tones otherwise, some of which probably more appealing than the nailing the cop.

Another thing that occurred to me is the SCN pups seemed more colorless than any mag pups I could recall running. In reading some reviews on the bass pod xt recently I’ve noticed similar comments directed toward mag pups by a couple writers. Tied in with my previous comments about thinking I had decent slap tones from a mag pup till compared to the V bass, a pattern is emerging.

In accord with Marcus’ last post, there appears to be no support I’m aware of for V Bass users in terms of a patch community like exists for the Pod. To me that’s not only a user issue but a gross marketing error. Historically, manufacturers have basically ignored bass players because they represent a small portion of musicians. In earlier times it made sense but in an age where all bass players are connected globally it doesn’t. Not a good a way to maintain or increase market share. I had the old Pod Bean and was not impressed. Apparently the XT is a better piece. From cost factor alone my guess is it’s not in the same league as the V Bass but I’ll probably pick up an xt just to have access to the community for the patches so I can check them out and apply them to the V bass.
 
Hey luknfur, I'm pretty sure you're aware of this, but just in case, any ol' $30 MIDI interface and any sequencing software can be used to dump all patch and other data into a sysex file, which could easily be emailed....they tend to be small files.

The real shame with the V-bass is the lack of any sort of editor/librarian software front end. Roland made noise about making one but never did. There's a freeware app for the VG-88 but it doesn't work with the V-Bass.:(

Wish I knew enough about writing apps to make one, or that somebody out there would...even just a very basic app for moving patches around and doing basic editing would be very hip.
 
Marcus Willett said:
Hey luknfur, I'm pretty sure you're aware of this, but just in case, any ol' $30 MIDI interface and any sequencing software can be used to dump all patch and other data into a sysex file, which could easily be emailed....they tend to be small files.

The real shame with the V-bass is the lack of any sort of editor/librarian software front end. Roland made noise about making one but never did. There's a freeware app for the VG-88 but it doesn't work with the V-Bass.:(

Wish I knew enough about writing apps to make one, or that somebody out there would...even just a very basic app for moving patches around and doing basic editing would be very hip.

Yeh, you mentioned it before when I asked about the battery but never enough reminders for me on technostuff.

Forgot all about the CD editor that came with the pod, never even loaded it to check it out. I just didn't find the tones appealing enough at the time to bother with. One of the things that appealed to me about the V bass was having what struck me as a direct line to patches rather than using the bass like an effects unit. I bid on an XT yesterday but someone wanted it more than I did. Those things are like Sans di's, they're everwhere.
 
Week 14: Use For The Useless Presets & More

Synopsis

Created a couple more useful patches this week. Moved all the passable modified patches to the first couple banks for quick flipping playing to tunes. Actually found a couple applications for the presets - the vast majority actually have some rich tones in them to be heard and extracted and having those set parameters to copy as a starting point is a plus. As useless for direct application for bass as the presets are, one thing as group they aren’t is bland or lacking variety. Also the amp/cab combinations and their parameters, though fairly minimal, offer a good flexible, variable mix for practical application and they‘re all recognizably different.

Having a sweep for tone variation (pup control knob and expression pedal) looks like the most powerful control to have, and two keeps it simple and pretty ideal. Since you can basically assign any single variable to each, the ones chosen and how they interact can have a dramatic impact on flexibility and utility in application. Wouldn’t mind having a couple more but too many and it gets messy in hurry.


Whole Enchilada

Skimmed through my user patches and the presets to refresh in mind what‘s there. I seem to be developing more of a tolerance for the presets and getting a better idea of what needs to be extracted from the tone and what left in to suit my needs. If nothing else the presets do have a richness of tone about them. So I have finally found a use for the presets.

Wrote a couple more patches, one off the presets and one off my user patches. Seems the one from the presets was again a modification of HendrixWah (preset not user version - not the same things anymore), mostly just taking the distortion out. Took a good 20 minutes or so to hard copy those parameters and punch them into the other patch. Makes me wonder if that could be worked around with the SYSEX file thing or if that’s just a bulk transfer, which is what the manual indicates. The other patch was a darker variation off the Entwhistle tone without the distortion. Another thing in messing with the Entwhistle style it’s got me to thinking more toward that lead style of play and not just holding the bottom end down, not nearly to the Entwhistle extreme though. Also more consciousness of fingering hand at the neck where there’s more string movement.

Another thing I did was relocate the user patches I’m passably satisfied with to the first couple banks so they were up front and together instead of scattered out, so I could quickly skim through them to play to tunes. One of the neat things about a unit like this is you can easily shift through tones to a tune that you would never choose for it, hands free due to the pedals no less. If it doesn’t work at all, a tap of the toe moves you on to the next one.

I was surprised at how well my original Hendrix modification (user) worked to tunes and how little the distortion component came through the mix. What mostly came out played to some 30 different tunes was a kind of melodic earthquake tone. A nice, deep, cutting, driving tone with clarity and definition (another cool thing about the V Bass is you can get such tones at speech level volume). The only noticeable distortion was on the attack and G string, often on the E, A, and D strings it wasn’t noticeable at all - depending on the tune. To some tunes the same tone was comparably muddy and ill-defined.

I thought if I could get the same tone with no distortion at all that would be a keeper patch. Messed with that a little but no success to my satisfaction. What I discovered in the process was the expression pedal setting was the only one I hadn’t changed to a volume control, but was left on wah. So the pitch could be altered which so happens also alters the apparent distortion. Not enough to meet my desire for some tunes but enough for a majority. I’ve known some players that weren’t effects guys but they used a wah pedal. Lot of variation on a tone using a wah. So a second find this week for a practical use of the presets since different preset patches have some variation on what the expression pedal controls. If not for the presets I may have cut out something that will be useful in future patch editing.

Another thing I discovered was I turned the distortion effects off for my original Hendrix Mod. The distortion was coming from the amp (“Hi Gain”) and was putting out a very good tube distortion. Unfortunately I couldn’t eliminate the distortion without trashing the tone otherwise. Running through the other amp models cut out the distortion but didn’t capture the tone otherwise. What was apparent was all the amp models sounded distinctly different with a pretty decent variation in tone, and that‘s without touching any of their parameters. There may not be as many amp/cab options as on other units, like the bass pod, but they’re not a bad selection.

Another observation that is turning into a pattern is the use of a variable control - whether in a pedal or knob. It seems like about any tone parameter that you can sweep through and hear the results is preferable to one that’s fixed (whether internally adjustable or not) or switchable. Turning the onboard volume into a blend has worked out great and yields useful variations in tone. I wish the controller had a couple more such knobs on it. I can see why the V Bass has a jack for an additional external expression pedal, assuming you could use them both at the same time.
 
luknfur said:
I wish the controller had a couple more such knobs on it. I can see why the V Bass has a jack for an additional external expression pedal, assuming you could use them both at the same time.

As far as I am aware, yes. I think there is up to 3 more controllers that can be added (from a software standpoint) tho only the 1 jack. A guitarist I know uses two pedals linked to the one jack for various real-time adjustments.
 
Week 15: Increased Solo/Lead Play & More

Synopsis

Spent considerably more time playing on the unit this week. A lot more solo/lead style of play going on. Listened to some V bass and pod patches out of a growing interest in what other players have done with such units. Wrote a few more patches and they’re beginning to accumulate in numbers. Had some additional experiences in terms of tweaking patches like realizing I’d over-looked the value dial last week as a variable control, actually applying the control pedal for the first time, and discovering that sometimes the noise reduction circuit is actually the source of the noise. It’s also occurred to me that some of the tones put out by something like the V bass could damage speakers if nothing else. I also ran across some component information which may be of use in the future including GK 13 pin assignments.


Whole Enchilada

Wrote some new patches and things are shaping up noticeably in that respect. Slowly replacing the less desirable patches and improving the more desirable ones. Up to about the first 4 banks (16 patches) of tones of interest. No killer tones at this point but many fun to play and that’s all I‘m really interested in when it comes right down to it. Better than without the V bass for sure and there’s no way to pull the range of tones without a warehouse of gear. I’ve spent more time with a bass in my hand since acquiring this unit and it’s a great tool for expressiveness and expanding conceptual playing of bass in general.

A few learning experiences in tweaking patches this week. I’d forgot about the value dial being another variable control on the V bass. I didn’t think about it last week because it’s not a live play control but a patch tweak control. It’s basically akin to the difference between adjusting controls in your rack and on your bass. I tried otherwise this week and found the value dial more useful for patch tweaking a variable parameter than the knob on the pup control or the expression pedal, other way around for actual play. The control pedal is another gadget but not variable and acts as an A/B switch. I couldn’t figure out why a parameter I adjusted wasn’t being saved at a fixed value and it turned out it was assigned to the control pedal. It does have an indicator light to let you know it’s off or on. Another interesting experience is that I had a decent tone but had some distortion/noise going on I couldn’t get out. Tried a myriad of different things with no luck. The only thing I hadn’t jacked with I could think of was the noise reduction. So I cut it off. Surprise, surprise, the noise reduction was the source of the noise. Not sure if it was the setting in it or what cause I didn’t check. Just cutting it off accomplished the task and that‘s all I wanted. Also in the long run I’d say Greenboy’s suggestion to work on one patch till it’s fairly complete is probably the quickest way to work through all the user patches. But doing so didn‘t suit my temperament and some things I could have only learned by doing it the way I did - like getting a keeper bass tone from cursory tweaking of a preset is highly unlikely.

Something I experience occasionally in the process of tweaking patches is a rude disproportionately loud rogue signal, one of those things prone to come from a piece of equipment like this. Identifiably not speaker friendly. In as much a good thing to tinker at low volumes to minimize risk. One of the pluses to editing software (doesn’t exist for the V bass) is you do it on your computer so you’re not going to damage your equipment - although you might your eardrums.

I did locate the thread where the guy talked about computer replacement connectors for the 13 pin din plugs on the V bass but I mistakenly recalled the mention of known available replacements - not the case. Also ran across mention of a guy experiencing what I’m guessing is what I’m getting from the connector when picking up the bass. He said the pins tend to oxidize and he sprayed them with WD 40 before every gig to resolve it. I also ran across a pin assignment for the a GK-2 which I’m guessing is the same for all the GK pups. I’m going to look into rigging my own internal control. The switches should be no problem, switch is a switch. Not sure about the hex setup for the pup leads to a pot though.

GK-2 DIN connector:
1:signal for string 1, 2:sig 2, 3:sig 3, 4:sig 4, 5:sig 5, 6:sig 6, 7:Guitar Output, 8:VOL, 9:NC, 10:SW1, 11:SW2, 12:+7V, 13:-7V
 
Marcus Willett said:
As far as I am aware, yes. I think there is up to 3 more controllers that can be added (from a software standpoint) tho only the 1 jack. A guitarist I know uses two pedals linked to the one jack for various real-time adjustments.

From a software standpoint?

I'm guessing if multiple controllers can be added that they would be switchable and not function simultaneously from a single jack?
 
I'm basing this off a guitarist friend of mine who is using his unit with 1 extra jack and a double footswitch (Boss) that he's using. Also, there are more controller options in the menus available. I'm not precisely sure how it's implemented (since it's a non-issue for me) but I've seen it done.