• TalkBass has been independent since 1998. Add your voice.
    Create a free account to reply to discussions, view embedded media, and browse with fewer display ads.
    Join free Log in
    Want zero display ads or expanded classifieds tools? Compare plans.

Drop tune - why is it looked down on?

#241
Alright then, some of you metal guys should post some clips of what you think are excellent examples of modern metal. I probably won't be into it, but I will try and listen anyway.

I like any music that is performed well.

And try and post some clips that give an idea of the whole drop tuning thing.
 
#244
zachoff said:
I could probably learn a jazz piece if I put my mind to it too. Writing is the hard part. Anyone can learn... Not everyone can write.
Click to expand...

Playing jazz is about much more than just "learning a jazz piece." Improvisation is a huge part of jazz. (Some would argue that it is the most important part.) It is "hard" not necessarily only in the sense that it requires great technical skill, but because it also requires a solid understanding of music theory and the ability to compose on the fly.

Schools have jazz bands and orchestra programs not because those music forms are kids' music, but because they impart fundamental skills and knowledge applicable across a wide range of genres.
 
#245
lucas vigor said:
Alright then, some of you metal guys should post some clips of what you think are excellent examples of modern metal. I probably won't be into it, but I will try and listen anyway.

I like any music that is performed well.

And try and post some clips that give an idea of the whole drop tuning thing.
Click to expand...



Definately not very heavy, but I'd call it metal nonetheless. The song has an awesome bassline, melody, it's in a major scale, proper singing....

What were you guys saying about metal just rythmic chugging and minor/blues scales? :smug::hiding:

The guitars/bass is in drop C# while the scale is B major. There are open (C#) power chords.

The awesomeness starts at about 1:00
 
#246
/facepalm I didn't even bother to read half of this thread

If you're complaining and being snobby bc you're too close minded to play in a drop tuning other than standard E...then you simply "just don't get it" and you're most likely playing songs that are too high out of your vocalist's range to sing. Ultimately..you're band probably sounds terrible bc of it.

This really shouldn't be an issue. Ever. /rant over. :scowl:
 
#247
rimtism123 said:
/facepalm I didn't even bother to read half of this thread

If you're complaining and being snobby bc you're too close minded to play in a drop tuning other than standard E...then you simply "just don't get it" and you're most likely playing songs that are too high out of your vocalist's range to sing. Ultimately..you're band probably sounds terrible bc of it.

This really shouldn't be an issue. Ever. /rant over. :scowl:
Click to expand...

You realize that it's possible to play in every key in standard tuning, right?
 
#248
Febs said:
Playing jazz is about much more than just "learning a jazz piece." Improvisation is a huge part of jazz. (Some would argue that it is the most important part.) It is "hard" not necessarily only in the sense that it requires great technical skill, but because it also requires a solid understanding of music theory and the ability to compose on the fly.

Schools have jazz bands and orchestra programs not because those music forms are kids' music, but because they impart fundamental skills and knowledge applicable across a wide range of genres.
Click to expand...

If all things were equal, would there not be a "metal studies" department at every university? Perhaps there would be a multiple school "metal" bands - the "A" band, the "B" band, etc...
 
#256
lucas vigor said:
Chugging, brutal riffs. Cookie monster vocals. Swedish and Scandinavian bands like Children of Bodom..... Pointy guitars, hung really low, almost to the knees. The entire band either looks like professional wrestlers or looks like the guys that get beat up by professional wrestlers....is that what you are talking about?

If so, I have heard them. Like rap music, it's music for kids trying real hard to sound tough and scary. The subject matter and lyrics sound like the kind of stuff we use to scribble in our notebooks while bored in the classroom, when we were 13 years old and first trying drugs.

Sorry, I would rather listen to Frank Sinatra. or Rush.

And just so you know, metal has not changed that much since the days of Priest and Sabbath. It just got faster, more rythmic. The use of minor keys, modified blues scales, pentatonic scales are all still there. The difference is that the original heavy metal bands pretty much came up with this stuff on their own, so in a sense, it was very original. The new stuff is based on what you heard your older brothers or dads listen to, throw in some thrash and punk elements, and you got modern day metal.

And what always cracks me up is when a metal head like you tries to sit in with a real musical band, and tries to fit those same riffs and scales into an actual song. it never works, and ends up sounding bush league.

Metal heads are completely unaware of what a guitar is supposed to sound like. You think it comes out of the womb already distorted and loud.

What you guys with your metal do is deeply restricted only to your favorite genre of music, and can rarely be used anywhere else.

I will go you one further and say that you can quickly train a jazz or classical musician to learn your riffs, probably within a week. heck, I know musicians that could sight read any one of your "shredding" solos, even on a violin.


But try and step in their world, and see how hard jazz and classical music is compared to what you do.

yeah, I know what modern metal is. I don't like it, but that does not mean I am unaware of what it sounds like. Ever heard of youtube?
Click to expand...

Well.... I guess I have never heard it put that way before now... ("COOKIE MONSTER VOCALS") thats just plain old funny!! They do sound like cookie monster!! Gives me a damn headache too!:D

Dont get me wrong..... I still enjoy a good heavy rock and roll song or too, Black Sabbaths Sabbath Bloody Sabbath was one of the greatest recordings ever made..



But this "Cookie Monster" stuff is just CRAP!

Im laughing as Im writing this..... and I really dont have a point, or anything too add...... other that I prefer the conventional tuning.....



Cept' when Im Jammin' C is for cookie...... thats good enough for me. C is for cookie..... thats good enough for me...... C is for cookie ... thats good enough for me...... OH! COOKIE COOKIE COOKIE START WITH C !!!!!!!:p
 
#257
tinman 1967 said:
Well.... I guess I have never heard it put that way before now... ("COOKIE MONSTER VOCALS") thats just plain old funny!! They do sound like cookie monster!! Gives me a damn headache too!:D

Dont get me wrong..... I still enjoy a good heavy rock and roll song or too, Black Sabbaths Sabbath Bloody Sabbath was one of the greatest recordings ever made..



But this "Cookie Monster" stuff is just CRAP!

Im laughing as Im writing this..... and I really dont have a point, or anything too add...... other that I prefer the conventional tuning.....



Cept' when Im Jammin' C is for cookie...... thats good enough for me. C is for cookie..... thats good enough for me...... C is for cookie ... thats good enough for me...... OH! COOKIE COOKIE COOKIE START WITH C !!!!!!!:p
Click to expand...

Thanks for the input old timer ;)
 
#258
OOZMAN said:


Definately not very heavy, but I'd call it metal nonetheless. The song has an awesome bassline, melody, it's in a major scale, proper singing....

What were you guys saying about metal just rythmic chugging and minor/blues scales? :smug::hiding:

The guitars/bass is in drop C# while the scale is B major. There are open (C#) power chords.

The awesomeness starts at about 1:00
Click to expand...


I listened to the whole song, and am not sure what to make of it...the bands seems a bit confused about what style they really are in this song....it's almost Disney channel "jonas bros" one moment, Linkin park the next....maybe that's the point?


But, they are talented. No doubt about that. Not my cup of tea, and I think that a regularly tuned 5 string bass would be able to play it no problem.
 
#259
lucas vigor said:
Alright then, some of you metal guys should post some clips of what you think are excellent examples of modern metal. I probably won't be into it, but I will try and listen anyway.

I like any music that is performed well.

And try and post some clips that give an idea of the whole drop tuning thing.
Click to expand...

Yeah, if you judge something by how difficult it is to play or how complex it is to listen to I doubt you'll like anything I'd recommend but here you go...

 

Latest posts

Top Bottom
Back