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Drop Tunings on a 4 string bass - The correct way

Very informative thread, I hope it clears up some of the confusion on these boards about down tuning vs. drop tuning.

Personally I don't really use drop tuning on bass (the lack of easily getting to a minor third on the next string up gets in my way), and when I'm playing with bands that do use it, I just tune to standard of an octave below their lowest note. Like when I played with a band where the guitars tuned to drop C, I tuned to C standard, CFBbEb.
 
I've been playing in drop-C (CGCF) for about three years now. I tried out many different brands and gauges of strings, but for now I seem to have settled on Rotosound 50-110 stainless steels. They're ok, but if they made a 50-112 I'd be happy. They low string is just a little tiny bit too floppy for my taste, but it's still totally playable.

I've never played in a band that tuned lower, but if I would I'd definitely try out those Rotosound drop-zone strings...

EDIT: I used to use Ernie Ball 55-110, but I found the added tension on the high strings was unnecessary, and they lost their 'zing' too quickly compared to the Rotos. Plus I seem to prefer the sound of stainless to nickel.
 
Pablomigrain I just bought my first jazz bass(fender mim deluxe). The band Im currently in has just switched to playing only in "D-standard" and "C-stardard" tunings. We play new rock music btw. Now the bass i bought online, so I can only guess it was used in "E-standard tuning". What i want to know is
A. What should I do after stringing the bass with new strings? Will i have to adjust the neck,pups ect when switching from E to C?
B. Will a 34" scale bass work well with these tunings? Will i need thicker strings?
C.What are some strings you recommend for my situation?
 
Pablomigrain I just bought my first jazz bass(fender mim deluxe). The band Im currently in has just switched to playing only in "D-standard" and "C-stardard" tunings. We play new rock music btw. Now the bass i bought online, so I can only guess it was used in "E-standard tuning". What i want to know is
A. What should I do after stringing the bass with new strings? Will i have to adjust the neck,pups ect when switching from E to C?
B. Will a 34" scale bass work well with these tunings? Will i need thicker strings?
C.What are some strings you recommend for my situation?

I recommend going to heavier strings. I use .100's for standard. I'd use probably .110's for D, and at least .115's for C. You probably will have to adjust the neck a bit due to differences in tension and probably the intonation and action as well.

A lot of people prefer longer scale instruments for lower tunings, but Geezer Butler always used 34" scale basses despite his band tuning fairly low, and Al Cisneros uses 33.25" scale basses, and they both sound quite good.
 
Great writeup! Thanks!

General question here... any reason why not to tune the bass to "standard" BEAD instead of using drop B tuning? Also, what guages would you reccemend for BEAD if it is indeed a good way to tune a bass. Seems as if that would be easy to use since it would be similar to a 5-string, right?

Thanks again.
 
Pablomigrain I just bought my first jazz bass(fender mim deluxe). The band Im currently in has just switched to playing only in "D-standard" and "C-stardard" tunings. We play new rock music btw. Now the bass i bought online, so I can only guess it was used in "E-standard tuning". What i want to know is
A. What should I do after stringing the bass with new strings? Will i have to adjust the neck,pups ect when switching from E to C?
B. Will a 34" scale bass work well with these tunings? Will i need thicker strings?
C.What are some strings you recommend for my situation?

A) You may need to adjust the truss rod depending on the bass. you won't need to adjust the pickups, but you could if you wanted to. Intonation probably yes.
B) 34" scale has always worked fine for me
C) For C standard try something with a low string between .110 and .115. I would aim for a .050 top string


Great writeup! Thanks!

General question here... any reason why not to tune the bass to "standard" BEAD instead of using drop B tuning? Also, what guages would you reccemend for BEAD if it is indeed a good way to tune a bass. Seems as if that would be easy to use since it would be similar to a 5-string, right?

Thanks again.

The only reason I can see to not tune BEAD instead of drop B would be for playing certain riffs that use a lot of string skipping and/or involve riffing on the higher strings with a low B pedal note. Having the E string tuned low B opens up all kinds of interesting avenues for different riffs. I've pesonally found that just by playing in an alternate tuning can often make you approach your writing and playing in a totally different way.

To answer your other question, Rotosound make a "Drop Zone" set thats made for tuning a 4 string BEAD. Invalid Link Removed
 
Great writeup! Thanks!

General question here... any reason why not to tune the bass to "standard" BEAD instead of using drop B tuning? Also, what guages would you reccemend for BEAD if it is indeed a good way to tune a bass. Seems as if that would be easy to use since it would be similar to a 5-string, right?

Thanks again.

I'm with you on this, and have one of my basses tuned BEAD. I had to file my nut a bit to fit the bigger strings, (which are 65-85-105-125) and have had no problems with this set up at all. Hope this helps you out some.
 
Great writeup! Thanks!

General question here... any reason why not to tune the bass to "standard" BEAD instead of using drop B tuning? Also, what guages would you reccemend for BEAD if it is indeed a good way to tune a bass. Seems as if that would be easy to use since it would be similar to a 5-string, right?

Thanks again.

For me, none whatsoever. But I only play in standard tunings unless I'm covering Tool or doing something extremely Tool-esque.

For B standard I just use the bottom four strings of a 5 string set.
 
Nice thread. I play a five string and use drop b tuning and ill try to apply some of this new stuff cause i haven't been happy with my sound. Whats your opinion on Hipshot tuners? I was thinking about getting one either to go up to C# Standard or down to a G#(just for the hell of it)
 
Hello everyone - I have a slightly different situation. I play a 5 string/34 inch scale bass tuned down a whole step (ADGCF). Dont use the 'B' string much but it's definitely become part of my playing so cant do without it. For a number of my bands songs however (as the guitarists only use standard 6 strings, tuned down a whole step), we play our songs in drop C, therefore my bass becomes ACGCF.
I dont have the funds for a second bass so its all on one bass at the moment. For a while I used EB power slinkies (130 - 50 I think), but I found these strings died very quickly. Have recently been using Fender 8255's (130 - 45), and they do sound ok but I'm thinking about stepping up to the 135 - 45 for a little extra tension, but being the picky b#$%#d I am would like a nickel string set without any cotton wrap at either end.
Any suggestions for nickel strings, 135 - 45 or 135 - 50 with no cotton windings at either end?
Another string question I know but it does relate to this thread.
 
This thread was sparked by an argument I overheard at the Guitar Center yesterday. A player bought some strings and wanted his instrument set up for "Drop C" and the Guitar Center tech tuned it to C standard, not understanding what the customer meant. That and my stupid guitarists have decided they want to play in Drop-B and I only have a 4 string at the moment.... will hopefully be ordering my Lakland DJ5 early next month.

This was a great discussion of drop tuning. HOWEVER, left unsaid were the negative reasons for doing this. First of all is it comes from the (negative) influence of guitarists! Let me say that there ARE valid reasons for drop-tunings, various standard tunings, and even open tunings on a guitar. A guitar is a totally different instrument where usually multiple strings (chords) are played at once. Variations in tunings can be a big help with difficult situations.

Typically these reasons do not apply to a bass. A bass usually plays one note at a time. Plus as pointed out, the high tension of bass strings leads to changes in neck bow with changes in string tension much more so than a guitar. And even worse the low frequencies of the strings makes them operate just barely into the region of decent tone so tuning down needs heavier strings to maintain tone (as mentioned).

And it gets still worse. Since a bass is tuned across the range in 4ths (guitars are not. That "b" string messes it all up) it allows you to move the patterns of scales etc. both up and down the neck as well as from side to side from string to string. Once you drop-tune a string (lowest) all that nice pattern shifting ability is gone. You have to learn a new scale (pattern) for each key etc. if a switch to another string is needed to get range.

The bottom line is that "drop-tuning" or even lowered standard tuning makes little sense for a bass. And that is especially true since there are now "real"* basses that can purchased that solve all these problems at once!

* all "real" basses have 5 or more strings. :hiding:

With a 5 or 6 string bass, you have all the range you need and even better it's concentrated at one spot in the neck. You don't have to detune to get extended range so neck tension does not change so neck adjustments are not needed. And since strings retain original tension they don't have to be increased in gauge to maintain tone.

What the resistance is to a 5 or 6 string bass I'll never understand. Hey, if you are playing music that doesn't need the extra range then a 4 is all you need and more power to ya. But once you need that range, guitarist-style detuning is a crazy way to get it. So lets give Pablomigraine a big round of applause for coming to his senses in time with a Lakland DJ5. (An excellent choice by the way!)
 
What the resistance is to a 5 or 6 string bass I'll never understand. Hey, if you are playing music that doesn't need the extra range then a 4 is all you need and more power to ya. But once you need that range, guitarist-style detuning is a crazy way to get it. So lets give Pablomigraine a big round of applause for coming to his senses in time with a Lakland DJ5. (An excellent choice by the way!)

Well, some don't find five strings comfortable. Some can't afford to add another bass at this time, or can't find a five string they like.

My solution: using the bottom four strings of a 5 string set on one of my 4bangers.