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drummer on shrooms

#21
Smoking weed and driving reduces accidents????????

NO, it causes accidents because your reaction time has slowed down...........and you're too busy eating your munchies.....

I've done the driving and drug thing in my youth and now realize how stupid that was and even if I never had an accident, I was just lucky.......I'd be really torn up had I hurt anyone.....there is a time and place for this and driving a vehicle is NOT IT

by the way, you should fill out your profile.......
 
#22
Kwin Smith said:
Sanctimonious? That's poor use of a great word. I've played the music game too long to have gear impounded by the police because they found drugs in the band member's van that was taking all our gear to a big gig...again.
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sanc·ti·mo·ni·ous/?saNG(k)t?'m?n??s/
Adjective: derogatory. Making a show of being morally superior to other people.

And you're doing it again. Did you even read the original post? They were at rehearsal, the guy arrived in his own car.
 
#23
I am not going to comment on the driving while consuming, but I think it is pretty funny when people on these boards always get really crazy about people playing music on substances. I recall Charlie Parker (I think he was pretty good on the Saxophone or something extreme sarcasm implied) being asked how he was able to play shows while on heroin. He respond that it was easy because he always practiced on heroin.

Now I know this isn't the best example because Charlie was notorious for missing gigs, but he was also one of the best saxophonists ever. As long as people can show up and function (includes not causing problems based on addictions) what they do to their own bodies is their own business.

Driving well that is another thing because now there are other people involved.
 
#24
Tractorr said:
I am not going to comment on the driving while consuming, but I think it is pretty funny when people on these boards always get really crazy about people playing music on substances. I recall Charlie Parker (I think he was pretty good on the Saxophone or something extreme sarcasm implied) being asked how he was able to play shows while on heroin. He respond that it was easy because he always practiced on heroin.

Now I know this isn't the best example because Charlie was notorious for missing gigs, but he was also one of the best saxophonists ever. As long as people can show up and function (includes not causing problems based on addictions) what they do to their own bodies is their own business.

Driving well that is another thing because now there are other people involved.
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Parker died at 35 of lobar pneumonia, a bleeding ulcer, advanced cirrhosis of the liver, and a heart attack. That means he spent the last 10 years of his life in total head-to-toe pain.

No level of artistic achievement is worth a horrendous quality of life and an early death, six years out of your twenties. If he had been in perfect health and then just went to sleep, maybe you'd have a point. But the damage he wrought upon his body destroyed his cognitive abilities and his emotions and were a symptom of a terrible psychic pain that he tried to numb.

Protracted death from the diseases he had is a terrible way to go.
 
#25
Arthritic_Tom said:
Parker died at 35 of lobar pneumonia, a bleeding ulcer, advanced cirrhosis of the liver, and a heart attack. That means he spent the last 10 years of his life in total head-to-toe pain.

No level of artistic achievement is worth a horrendous quality of life and an early death, six years out of your twenties. If he had been in perfect health and then just went to sleep, maybe you'd have a point. But the damage he wrought upon his body destroyed his cognitive abilities and his emotions and were a symptom of a terrible psychic pain that he tried to numb.

Protracted death from the diseases he had is a terrible way to go.
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It is a shame that he went so early, and I was not trying to say that people should use drugs for some sort of artistic expansion because I think that is a bunch of nonsense. My point was if someone can be one of the greatest musicians ever while on heroin then somebody can play in a band after smoking a joint.
 
#28
I didn't intend to start a drug debate. Sorry if anyone has taken anything personally. We all laughed it off, but agreed that hes operating on a one strike policy. Like I said in the original post, he is always punctual, always ready to play, and never even attempts to force any of his beliefs or habits on anyone else in the band. He's really a great guy, and he made a judgement call which may have been awful judgment. At the end of the day though we got some good laughs out of it, and he learned a valuable lesson too.
 
#29
Arthritic_Tom said:
Parker died at 35 of lobar pneumonia, a bleeding ulcer, advanced cirrhosis of the liver, and a heart attack. That means he spent the last 10 years of his life in total head-to-toe pain.

No level of artistic achievement is worth a horrendous quality of life and an early death, six years out of your twenties. If he had been in perfect health and then just went to sleep, maybe you'd have a point. But the damage he wrought upon his body destroyed his cognitive abilities and his emotions and were a symptom of a terrible psychic pain that he tried to numb.

Protracted death from the diseases he had is a terrible way to go.
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ALL That stuff happened because 1. it was so difficult for CP to procure his dose and he drank or did other things instead 2. status as 2nd class citizen (being black) and falling into the criminal justice system and it's effect on his ability to make a living. They took his union card. 3. Mental health conventions of the time (and the climate of racism) that had No Idea how to handle a creative genius or ability to even recognize that in a black person, a musician (another form of being a 2nd class person to society in the 40s & 50s, slowly died out in the 60s) 4. CP's own uncompromising attitude about everything. And his addictive personality-- part of the personality profile of some highly creative people who Do need help in creating structure so they can continue being productive...and alive...Obviously such therapy was unavailable to CP...who was Not in the kind of psychological pain you describe. This guy was aware of almost everything in areas of life that would surprise you, and he enjoyed life. He could not find a road to some inner peace in his lifetime.
In a system like they have had in Great Briton where addicts can get their dose, CP would have lived to a ripe old age (or a stroke at 60 from lifestyle choices that many people make who are not considered crazy)
Finally, to say "No level of artistic achievement is worth a horrendous quality of life and an early death", there are some ancient Greeks (and lovers of that ideal, throughout history) that would disagree with you. CP was that one person who had the breakthrough that advanced harmonic thinking in Jazz. He was the Einstein of music in the 20th century. He's as immortal as it gets. I can't say how much of CP's nature needed a cure.

ps, sleep deprivation causes more accidents
 
#30
BassBrass said:
ALL That stuff happened because 1. it was so difficult for CP to procure his dose and he drank or did other things instead 2. status as 2nd class citizen (being black) and falling into the criminal justice system and it's effect on his ability to make a living. They took his union card. 3. Mental health conventions of the time (and the climate of racism) that had No Idea how to handle a creative genius or ability to even recognize that in a black person, a musician (another form of being a 2nd class person to society in the 40s & 50s, slowly died out in the 60s) 4. CP's own uncompromising attitude about everything. And his addictive personality-- part of the personality profile of some highly creative people who Do need help in creating structure so they can continue being productive...and alive...Obviously such therapy was unavailable to CP...who was Not in the kind of psychological pain you describe. This guy was aware of almost everything in areas of life that would surprise you, and he enjoyed life. He could not find a road to some inner peace in his lifetime.
In a system like they have had in Great Briton where addicts can get their dose, CP would have lived to a ripe old age (or a stroke at 60 from lifestyle choices that many people make who are not considered crazy)
Finally, to say "No level of artistic achievement is worth a horrendous quality of life and an early death", there are some ancient Greeks (and lovers of that ideal, throughout history) that would disagree with you. CP was that one person who had the breakthrough that advanced harmonic thinking in Jazz. He was the Einstein of music in the 20th century. He's as immortal as it gets. I can't say how much of CP's nature needed a cure.

ps, sleep deprivation causes more accidents
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So racism helped contribute to Charlie Parker dying? Gimmie a break. Way to hijack the thread.
 
#31
bmb73 said:
So racism helped contribute to Charlie Parker dying? Gimmie a break. Way to hijack the thread.
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sorry, I though it was about attitudes about drugs and CP was used as an example- but it was stereotype, not reality. I also believe some people might enjoy the discussion.
That racism contributed to CP's hard life and death is common knowledge and the opinion of his biographers. I really can't imagine what kind of revisionist thinking would question that. Are you also a holocaust denier? Was the moon landing a fake?
I also list other factors. Unaware racism was just a part of the norm in his life.
 
#32
sixerguy3 said:
I didn't intend to start a drug debate. Sorry if anyone has taken anything personally. We all laughed it off, but agreed that hes operating on a one strike policy. Like I said in the original post, he is always punctual, always ready to play, and never even attempts to force any of his beliefs or habits on anyone else in the band. He's really a great guy, and he made a judgement call which may have been awful judgment. At the end of the day though we got some good laughs out of it, and he learned a valuable lesson too.
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It appears that your drummer has the wherewithal to understand that he made a mistake and is not going to have a repeat performance. I was going to add a sentence regarding alcohol for comparison but that would have opened a whole new can of worms so I'm not going there.

As far as the Charlie Parker references, we could fill this thread ad nauseum with references to people like Jimi Hendrix, Amy Winehouse, Kurt Cobain, Chet Baker, all who were incredibly gifted and died tragically before their time due to drugs.
 
#33
"sorry, I though it was about attitudes about drugs and CP was used as an example- but it was stereotype, not reality. I also believe some people might enjoy the discussion.
That racism contributed to CP's hard life and death is common knowledge and the opinion of his biographers. I really can't imagine what kind of revisionist thinking would question that. Are you also a holocaust denier? Was the moon landing a fake?
I also list other factors. Unaware racism was just a part of the norm in his life."




Not questioning that racism is alive and rampant. But to say it is contributing to a heroin addicts death is reaching a bit. Just my opinion.

Deny the holocaust? I'm Jewish so that is pretty much out of the question. I visited Dachau also so I'm pretty sure something went on. Moon landing fake? Great examples, I can see how that directly correlates to my comment that racism was not a leading factor.

Why take it so personal? It's a internet thread on a bass website. People can state their opinion without(well sometimes) someone informing them they were wrong.

Then again, it is business as usual. :)
 
#34
when you are there to rehearse, its work
I don't care what anyone does away from the band
but coming to practice under the lnfluence is disrespectful to the other members
and shows a lack of professionalism and maturity.

its kinda funny, but in the last 5 years you wouldn't see as much as open beer in band rehersals i have been to, there is no standing rule and i am sure no one woyuld care if there was but it just worls out that way
 
#37
Geez there are some uptight guys in here! RELAX. You'd think this was a parole officers message board. This board is for MUSICIANS, and some of the best musicians of all time were users. I dont understand how musicians could be so hard on users. Get over it.



OP, funny story. I laughed.
 
#38
cause some people really are that up tight and really do think that what they do is the only right way and every body should be like them That's all there is to it. Yes, this is music we're talking about, and for the non-square, open-minded , intelligent, fun loving, music loving, life loving people who like to get high and jam or listen to music it's just that much better.
People who get high can hear the same music as those who are straight. But those who are straight can not hear the same music as those who are high. Do what you want.
 
#39
CannyBusDriver said:
Smoking weed and driving reduces accidents, sounds ridiculous but every study has proven this fact. You are more paranoid, and careful, therefore you drive slower.
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You are misinterpreting the results of those studies. They show that cannabis use impairs motor skills, but that the user may recognize the impairment and engage in compensating behavior where possible which mitigates the risk. "Mitigates" means that it reduces the risk caused by the impairment. It does not mean that it eliminates the risk entirely. It certainly does not mean that it makes driving safer. Moreover, there are some aspects of driving where the increased risk caused by impaired motor skills cannot be mitigated.
 

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