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EBMM price - ouch!

This is quite correct as there were literally hundreds of responses in the thread. The limitations of the offer (colour, other options) moaned about by those who wouldn't partake when it came to coming up with a deposit were really only similar to any other limited edition offer EBMM have produced - one month ordering window - limited colour etc.

It's not clear how this was something produced to fail - more likely there were a lot of keyboard tyre kickers just taking part in a row - a shame for the guys who really were willing to sign up (about 5 IIRC - from a thread with hundreds of replies).

It goes to show that those makers who choose to produce 5 strings with lower than 19 MM spacing have probably judged the market right.

That's how I remember it, but am definitely willing to be corrected... I didn't have a horse in the race either way, since I have no interest in a 19mm spaced 5er...
 
IMO, the quality differences aren't "negligible", but just as people buy G&L Tributes to save money, they also buy Ray 34 basses to save money...
I've owned a G&L L2000 Tribute and now own a USA-made one.
Bought the Tribute because I knew it was every inch a player...had nothing to do with saving money, I just wanted one after trying another one out.
Bought the USA-made one simply because I liked the color.
Absolutely no swaying factors save the tuners and the pleked frets that would make me consider it above a Tribute, though. MY Tribute's neck was a bit wider but not enough to matter and my new one weighs 7.3 lbs, so there's that to consider, but there's absolutely no difference in sound and playability. In fact, I was considering a really nice Tribute before I bought maybe the best Squier VM around…yes, after playing half a dozen MIM Fenders that I found lacking.

I will be buying another USA-made SB-2, though.
 
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Why would the bridge be in the middle of the body?

Look at where the bridge is on the guitar version of the Stingray, or the Cutlass, or the Fender Jaguar, or Mustang - and compare that with the bass version.

Put a bass neck on that body shape and you either put the bridge in the middle, have to squish the body shape left to right or lose frets 12-21 if not more.
 
I've owned a G&L L2000 Tribute and now own a USA-made one.
Bought the Tribute because I knew it was every inch a player...had nothing to do with saving money, I just wanted one after trying another one out.
Bought the USA-made one simply because I liked the color.
Absolutely no swaying factors save the tuners and the pleked frets that would make me consider it above a Tribute, though. MY Tribute's neck was a bit wider but not enough to matter and my new one weighs 7.3 lbs, so there's that to consider, but there's absolutely no difference in sound and playability. In fact, I was considering a really nice Tribute before I bought maybe the best Squier VM around…yes, after playing half a dozen MIM Fenders that I found lacking.

I will be buying another USA-made SB-2, though.
What happened to your Fender Deluxe?
 
What happened to your Fender Deluxe?
Financial problems forced me to return it. I still grab one and try it out every time I go to Guitar Center. I can definitley see myself buying another one.
Other than that, I still can't believe how good the Squier VM Jazz bass is.
I learned to play on an Inca Silver CV Jazz and I've always believed they were better than tje VMs, but that's not always true.
Can't see myself buying a Fender Jazz, now.

Of course, do I really need another bass, no matter which one?

Yeah, probably.
 
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Financial problems forced me to return it. I still grab one and try it out every time I go to Guitar Center. I can definitley see myself buying another one.
Other than that, I still can't believe how good the Squier VM Jazz bass is.
I learned to play on an Inca Silver CV Jazz and I've always believed they were better than tje VMs, but that's not always true.
Can't see myself buying a Fender Jazz, now.

Of course, do I really need another bass, no matter which one?

Yeah, probably.
Sorry man. I know how much you loved that bass.
 
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Looking back, I think Sterling Ball did not want to deal with having to create a new bridge, nut, another CNC program for a neck. EBMM, is good at producing lots of models that fit on the same platform.

I do think their fit and finish work is consistently very high quality. The one mystery is how a smaller company, G&L produces gear that in some ways is better than EBMM, manages to sell their instruments at lower prices?
 
You mean a quality, well balanced USA instrument with a powerful, versatile 4 band EQ in an unusual paint scheme and some pretty sweet black hardware? Youre getting a lot of bass. I know you mentioned a single H instrument, which "only" has a 3 band EQ but still, thats a hell of a lot of bass. Not sure what else you could jam into an instrument of that caliber, outside of maybe another pickup, piezo, fancy rare woods, etc.

The price increase sucks but thats life and how businesses work. Rest assured the quality is still there and always has been with EBMM basses, and I say that even as I no longer primarily play their instruments.

Oh I agree completely but the market is also extremely crowded . But as I said in two years the basses will be sold for a fraction of the price. I love EBMM but they’re one of the worst brands in terms of holding their value for some reason. Used they sell for so much less in most cases.
 
Oh I agree completely but the market is also extremely crowded . But as I said in two years the basses will be sold for a fraction of the price. I love EBMM but they’re one of the worst brands in terms of holding their value for some reason. Used they sell for so much less in most cases.
Not sure where you're getting your info from but I have 90s EBMM basses that are worth 140% of their original new value on the used market and early 2000s ones that are worth nearly 100% of their original new value on the used market.

I would say these are not basses to buy new and to flip in a whim 6 months later - as with any other mid to high end bass they'll lose a lot of value - in the longer run less so.

Cars lose a lot of value when you drive a new one out of the showroom. It's just a fact of life.
 
Oh I agree completely but the market is also extremely crowded . But as I said in two years the basses will be sold for a fraction of the price. I love EBMM but they’re one of the worst brands in terms of holding their value for some reason. Used they sell for so much less in most cases.

I disagree - IME, EBMM instruments hold their value quite well... For example, take a look at GC's used gear pages, or Reverb...
 
I wonder how this price jack will truly change the used market for these basses? The older, cheaper models do not come standard with roasted necks, neo pickups, and high-tech low mass bridges.

The new appointments deserve the extra charge, not the 15 year old 5 string in good shape. We are responsible for the used market price.
 
This is quite correct as there were literally hundreds of responses in the thread. The limitations of the offer (colour, other options) moaned about by those who wouldn't partake when it came to coming up with a deposit were really only similar to any other limited edition offer EBMM have produced - one month ordering window - limited colour etc.

It's not clear how this was something produced to fail - more likely there were a lot of keyboard tyre kickers just taking part in a row - a shame for the guys who really were willing to sign up (about 5 IIRC - from a thread with hundreds of replies).

It goes to show that those makers who choose to produce 5 strings with lower than 19 MM spacing have probably judged the market right.

You mean tire kickers like those who ended up searching for a Lakland 5576, and those who due to the rarity of the 5576 make do with a 5502 or 5594 etc? Yeah. Lakland sales are definitely suffering due to their choice of spacing :D
 
I thought it was 2 weeks. The whole thing came about because of a thread or a few threads where at least a handful of TB members said they would buy a 19mm Ray "in a NY minute". Somehow that telephone-gamed into "tons of people said they would buy one today" which was put to the test by Sterling in his put up or shut up style offer. Of course, there never were tons of people clamoring for the instrument and so it wasn't difficult to "prove" such a specious claim. It was only ever just a handful of enthusiastic people that said they would buy one. I'm sure some of them still would.

That sounds probably right.

Sterling's reaction/attitude was a little ridiculous for someone of his position 'though, I think... I mean, it's not like he *needs* to prove anything to anyone, and he just came across in his posts as an insufferable bore. But then he often does. He seems to alternate between being incredibly helpful and nice, and obnoxious. I used to participate on the EBMM forum but the general attitude there turned me off completely.
 
That sounds probably right.

Sterling's reaction/attitude was a little ridiculous for someone of his position 'though, I think... I mean, it's not like he *needs* to prove anything to anyone, and he just came across in his posts as an insufferable bore. But then he often does. He seems to alternate between being incredibly helpful and nice, and obnoxious. I used to participate on the EBMM forum but the general attitude there turned me off completely.

That's pretty much the reason why I never registered there. As much as I like EBMM stuff (more of a Stingray fan than EBMM in general though), I just don't care for all the "yes man" hand jobs that go around there.